0910AW SPECTACULAR之【同主题写作】第四期ISSUE144 艺术家和批评家间的爱恨情仇

xiaobao963UID: 2596307

issues 144 by A34
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-967459-1-1.html

wildrose800331UID: 2602131

https://bbs.gter.net/thread-967808-1-1.html   帮楼下的已经改好了 请版主过目
提纲 144
开头 写艺术家和评论家的联系 在 society 和lasting方面的区别
B1 评论家的评论不像艺术品一样永恒
原因1：艺术品给人印象深刻，激起人共鸣
原因2：艺术品有很好的保存系统，本身如建筑就是一种时间的见证
原因3 ：艺术引领潮流，或许过很久才有人理解 这期间时间也跨越了
B 2 评论只针对艺术家 艺术家为大众服务
举例： 中国李白（不确定是否真实） 问农夫和村妇 自己的诗词是否恰当 然后再改
结论 评论有其价值 但绝不像艺术家的艺术品 一样价值永恒且 针对大众

提纲 143  反对的观点
开头 艺术家和评论家不是对手或者敌人 是共存甚至共赢的关系
B 1 评论家是会低估某件艺术品 让艺术家挫败 灰心
     但是也是可以让艺术家在自己凭空创作之后 得到反馈 重新审视自己的作品 做些改动或者变化 为以后的作品铺路； 而且 不同的观点还会给艺术家灵感 用于创作
B 2  所以 艺术家应该关注评论 但是不要盲目相信或者排斥 而是要加入自己的判断并吸取有价值的东西
B3  举例证明艺术家吸收评论家的评论 再创佳作（ 想不出来例子）
结论  尽管有时批评是负面的 但是利大于弊 艺术家还是应该重视评论家的评论的

mandy61217UID: 2549053

https://bbs.gter.net/thread-967546-1-1.html

昨天发贴没成功，sorry.

thanks!!!

mandy61217UID: 2549053

issue144 by A34, xiaobao963 已修改，请查收，谢谢！

wildrose800331UID: 2602131

改好了 去看看吧 18# mandy61217

DidoyUID: 2181213

首先是144和143的审题20问：

1. What does X mean? (Definition)
I think artists are people who create art, and critics are, as it says, people who evaluate works of art. The society here means the common world of common people and the world of art. I think the value here means that the eternal and forever beauty and appreciation of art work.

2. What are the various features of X? (Description)
Artists are original, create art works, and usualy work individually, don't know a lot about the common commercial world, but also earn living on their work. Critics are the people living in the common commercial world, know more about common people's taste and popular culture, and somehow spread the art to the common world and teach people how to evaluate them and how to appreciate them.

3. What are the component parts of X? (Simple Analysis)
Artists: art work, original ideas
Critics: common media, evaluation, their own tastes

4. How is X made or done? (Process Analysis)
Art work is made by artists and might spread by critics.

5. How should X be made or done? (Directional Analysis)
Artists create the work, the work found by critics, applaud or critiszed by critics, and the common people know the work through media and display of the work.

6. What is the essential function of X? (Functional Analysis)
Eternal appreciation of beauty

7. What are the causes of X? (Causal Analysis) BE EACW
Artists create the work and critics appreciate it and the general appreciate it, and it has eternal value
Artists create the work and critics do not like it and they lead the general to disdain it also, and the work into oblivion

8. What are the consequences of X? (Causal Analysis)
The work has eternal value, so everyone appreciate it
The work into oblivion, then it has no lasting value as the statement says.

9. What are the types of X? (Classification)
Art work being appreicated or not

10. How is X like or unlike Y? (Comparison)
Art work is not usually commerce, general people usually don't know how to evaluate and appreciate it.

11. What is the present status of X? (Comparison)
??? display in the musuem, stored in critics home, etc.

12. What is the significance of X? (Interpretation)
Eternal appreication of beauty

13. What are the facts about X? (Reportage)
The value of art works vary through times and depends on the taste of critics and common people.

14. How did X happen? (Narration)
Artists create them, critics might spread them.

15. What kind of person is X? (Characterization/Profile)
Artists love art and beauty, critics also love art and beauty. (this sounds interesting)

16. What is my personal response to X? (Reflection)
Critics do contribute but sometimes their contribution has unintended results.

17. What is my memory of X? (Reminiscence)
hum...I go to musuem a lot.

18. What is the value of X? (Evaluation)
Some art work could be of sooooo high value, while others may does not worth even a penny.

19. What are the essential major points or features of X? (Summary)
Artists: creative, original, work individually, earn living on their work, love art and beauty
Critics: love art and beauty, know more about the general, spread art works.
Art works: some of high value, while some not

20. What case can be made for or against X? (Persuasion)
The existence of critiques might lead to unintended harmful results.

144的提纲
1 开头- 不完全同意，critics有其作用
2 body首段- common people需要guide来引导他们理解艺术
3 body次段- artists需要媒介来传播他们的艺术作品
4 body末段- critics可能产生的不良影响
5 尾段- 虽然critics有不良影响，但是其对艺术作品流传的贡献不容忽视

143的提纲
1 开头- 同意，艺术家不应该受critics倾向的影响
2 body首段- critics可能限制common people对艺术作品的广泛接触
3 body次段- critics可能不经意间决定了大众口味和主流文化
4 body末段- 艺术家也应该value critics的贡献，而不是单纯的忽视他们的存在
5 尾段- 艺术家需要坚定自己的创意，不要随波逐流，同时也不能完全忽视critics的影响

144链接
https://bbs.gter.net/thread-968420-1-1.html

谢谢大家！！！:loveliness:

Virtual_ProUID: 2560768

20问

1. What does X mean? (Definition)
Artist: one who professes and practices an imaginative art
Critic: one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique
Lasting: to continue in time
Creativity: the ability to create

2. What are the various features of X? (Description)
Artist: creative, precedence of society ideas, emotional
Critic: thinking from various perspective, gives usually useless but sometimes enlightening information
Lasting value: lasting, influence, enlightening.
Creativity:
new, genius, personal

3. What are the component parts of X? (Simple Analysis)
Artists: art work, creative thinking, advanced ideas
Critics: represent the public’s opinion, from various perspective

4. How is X made or done? (Process Analysis)
Art work is made by artist
Comment is made by critics
Lasting value is made by the art work
Creativity is made by human ideology

5. How should X be made or done? (Directional Analysis)
Art work should be made through the artist’s creative thinking, hard work and repeated modify.
Comment should be made by the critic’s critical thinking and specially analysis of the art work and

6. What is the essential function of X? (Functional Analysis)
Art work’s essential function is to show the artist’s creative thinking or give the public some influence on the social value or the esthetical values.
Comment’s essential function is to show the general view of the art work form the public while guide the public to evaluate the art work.


7. What are the causes of X? (Causal Analysis) BE EACW
The causes of art work is the need from artist themselves or the public.
The cause of comments if the need of the public or some critics who could not help to share his/her view on the art work

8. What are the consequences of X? (Causal Analysis)
The consequences of art work are the expression and reservation of human spirit
The consequences of comments are the guide of the social view on the art works

9. What are the types of X? (Classification)
Art work contains types of popular or unpopular
Comments include types of valuable or invaluable

10. How is X like or unlike Y? (Comparison)
Art work is unlike comments

11. What is the present status of X? (Comparison)
Some art work’ value may not decrease in several centuries even longer, while others do not
It is Similar to the comments.

12. What is the significance of X? (Interpretation)
Art work is a symbol of human civilization
Comments could recover some valuable art works

13. What are the facts about X? (Reportage)
Some art work has the lasting value that would not change through a long time
Comments is mostly related to the present society

14. How did X happen? (Narration)
X

15. What kind of person is X? (Characterization/Profile)
Artists are creative, critics are sharp.

16. What is my personal response to X? (Reflection)
Artist and critics composed an organism whole in art field.

17. What is my memory of X? (Reminiscence)
Van Gogh and Da Vince

18. What is the value of X? (Evaluation)
Art works’ value is hard to evaluate since they may expressed in various ways

19. What are the essential major points or features of X? (Summary)
Artist: creative, precedence of society ideas, emotional
Critic: thinking from various perspective, gives usually useless but sometimes enlightening information
Lasting value: lasting, influence, enlightening.
Creativity:
new, genius, personal

20. What case can be made for or against X? (Persuasion)
Art films and commercial films




============================================================================================
143 提纲

Title
143

"Artists should pay little attention to their critics.* Criticism tends to undermine and constrain the artist's creativity."

*those who evaluate works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.

提纲

Keywords

Artists, critics, creativity

进一步限定

Creativity: the ability to create (M-W)
Artist 和 critics在144中已经限定过了，这里就不赘述。仅从题目上看，143与144在论述点最大的不同就在于creativity与lasting value上。在这里分析下creativity。
Creativity是艺术家的一个重要的基本素质，关系到艺术作品的价值。拥有好的creativity的艺术家能够创造出反映深层次社会价值或者代表未来潮流的作品。Creativity的一个特点就是创新性，而创新意味着与当今社会不同。而Critics往往是站在当今社会的主流价值观上进行评价。当艺术作品反映当前社会的主流价值倾向时，Critics往往会予以赞同，当艺术作品部分超出当前主流社会价值时，critics可能能够认识到其创新价值，予以鼓励，也可能坚决捍卫传统潮流予以抨击。而当艺术作品远超出当今社会价值，从而不能够被理解的时候，无疑会成为critics的攻击对象。如果说，一个艺术家进行创造的目的是表达自己的思想，那么他无疑不能听从critics的意见，否则会失去自我，失去艺术创造的独立性。但是，如果一个艺术家进行创造的目的是让自己的价值观和思想性被公众所接受，对公众产生影响。那么他必须重视critics的意见，因为这基本反映了社会公众对于艺术作品的看法，体现了社会对于艺术作品的理解和接受程度。在这里我想起了冯小刚导演对于文艺片和商业片的评价：“文艺片的导演，某种程度上讲，是自私的，他们考虑的只是表达出自己的观点，至于这些个观点是否被公众接受，对于他们来说并不重要；而商业片才是为大众服务的，他们是要考虑人民群众的需求的。”原文不记得了，大意如此。

扣题阐述

艺术家是否应该重视评论家的意见是由创作的目的性决定的，如果创作的目的仅仅在于表达自己的思想，那么无疑不能在乎评论家的意见，因为那样会影响到创作思想的独立性，从而限制和束缚住创造力；但是，如果创作的目的在于将自己的作品蕴含的价值展示给公众，影响社会公众的价值取向，那么评论家的意见十分重要，因为这反映了社会对于艺术作品的接受和理解程度。

进一步升华

艺术家创造艺术作品的目的是什么呢？这无疑是一个很难回答的问题。很多艺术家创造艺术作品可能只是为了表达自我的强烈的感情，就像天才文森特·梵高，另一些则不是这样，冯小刚拍的商业片就是为了娱乐人民群众，顺便挣得满钵金银。

论证结构

采用Topic——分类论述——总结的方式，其中分类标准是艺术创作的目的，分类包含1）表达自己；2）影响公众；3）mix。
第一部分，给出观点，艺术家是否应该重视评论家的意见取决与创作的目的性。
第二部分，根据创作的目的性的不同，分三节分别论述艺术家对于评论家应持有的意见。
      1）如果艺术创作的目的是表达自我，没必要在乎评论家的意见，否则会有副作用
      2）如果艺术创作的目的是为了服务人民大众，评论家的意见十分重要，因为他们代表了人民群众的意见
      3）如果mix，那么要在一定程度上进行重视。
第三部分，进行总结。




============================================================================================
144 提纲

Title

144"It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value." *a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.

Outline

Keywords

Artist, critic, society, lasting value

进一步限定

Artist: one who professes and practices an imaginative art
Critic: one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique
Lasting: to continue in time
本题目的概念应该是比较清晰的，艺术家指从事艺术创造的人，评论家指评价艺术作品价值的人，持续的价值指的是能够长存于世界上的，带来长久的社会影响力的艺术作品。

扣题阐述

伟大的艺术作品带来的持续的价值离不开艺术家的创造，但有些艺术作品的价值需要评论家去挖掘才能显著于世，因此评论家也不可缺乏。

进一步升华

艺术作品的价值在于欣赏，如果没有懂得欣赏的人，艺术家无疑是悲凉的。世界上并不缺乏美，只是缺乏发现美的眼睛，而在一定程度上，评论家就是发现美的眼睛。

本文论证结构展开

采用总——正——反——升华——总结的论证方式。
第一部分，给出观点，艺术家的创造性必不可少，但是如果没有评论家的存在，一些伟大的艺术作品会失去展示给世人的机会，因此评论家也能够给社会带来持续的价值。
第二部分，正面论证艺术家的作用。
第三部分，论证评论家的不可缺少性。
第四部分，升华艺术的欣赏性与发现艺术的美的重要性。
第五部分，总结全文。



===============================================================

144链接
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=968895&extra=

先谢过ls！

tmytgzzxyUID: 2628459

issue144 觉得很难 写了很长时间也写不出来东西 很崩溃 欢迎指点
提纲：观点：有保留的否定 同意艺术家对于创造永恒价值的重要性 但是不能忽略评论家的贡献
1 艺术家对于永恒价值的产生有着决定的作用。艺术家的灵感 内涵 感情 和勤奋创造了艺术作品 例子
2 尽管艺术家重要 评论家也发挥着同样重要的作用 a评论家有专业知识， 往往认识更深刻，解释艺术作品的内涵，帮助大众全面准确的理解艺术作品 b 评论家能帮助大众选择值得欣赏的作品 c评论家是沟通创作者与欣赏者的桥梁d 评论家的评论从艺术作品本身出发，是艺术作品的精神得到诠释和升华 不同领域的艺术评论的融合 能推动不同艺术的融合和进步
3 总之，艺术家是艺术及其永恒价值的创造者 没有艺术家的作品评论家的评论如同没有根的浮萍 评论家是艺术价值的诠释者和传递者 是艺术价值更好的体现和保存 流传。他们对于永恒的艺术价值都是不可缺少的。



http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=970446&extra=

flearUID: 2533174

https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=971142&page=1&extra=

xiaoxiaoWUID: 2611108

https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=971211&extra=
144. “It is the artist, not the critic, * who gives society something of lasting value.” *a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
1. What does X mean? (Definition)
I think artists are people who create art, whose art is a method to express the world an artist cognate. And critics are, as it says, people who evaluate works of art, and might lead the common sense, The society here means the common world of common people and the world of art.  The value here means that the eternal and forever beauty and appreciation of art work, which represents a phrase of aesthetics.

2. What are the various features of X? (Description)
Artists are creative, have a special way to cognate the world, preset themselves to the world through their works. Critics are the people representing common people, know more about common people's taste and popular culture, spread the art to the common world and teach people how to appreciate them.

3. What are the component parts of X? (Simple Analysis)
Artists: art work, inspirations, special ideology
Critics: common media, criticism,  their own tastes

4. How is X made or done? (Process Analysis)
made by artists   spread by critics.

5. How should X be made or done? (Directional Analysis)
Art cites the appreciation of beauty and make people know the world that an artist want to present better.
6. What is the essential function of X? (Functional Analysis)
Eternal appreciation of beauty

7. What are the causes of X? (Causal Analysis) BE EACW
Artists cognate the world and present it through their art work. Critics represent a common world and common tastes so that they applaud or criticize through the common sense
8. What are the consequences of X? (Causal Analysis)
The work has eternal value, so everyone appreciate it
The work into oblivion, then it has no lasting value as the statement says.

9. What are the types of X? (Classification)
Art work being appreicated or not

10. How is X like or unlike Y? (Comparison)
Art work is not usually commerce, general people usually don't know how to evaluate and appreciate it.

11. What is the present status of X? (Comparison)
??? display in the musuem, stored in critics home, etc.

12. What is the significance of X? (Interpretation)
Eternal appreication of beauty

13. What are the facts about X? (Reportage)
The value of art works vary through times and depends on the taste of critics and common people.

14. How did X happen? (Narration)
Artists create them, critics might spread them.

15. What kind of person is X? (Characterization/Profile)
Artists love art and beauty, critics also love art and beauty. (this sounds interesting)

16. What is my personal response to X? (Reflection)
Critics do contribute but sometimes their contribution has unintended results.

17. What is my memory of X? (Reminiscence)
hum...I go to musuem a lot.

18. What is the value of X? (Evaluation)
Some art work could be of sooooo high value, while others may does not worth even a penny.

19. What are the essential major points or features of X? (Summary)
Artists: creative, original, work individually, earn living on their work, love art and beauty
Critics: love art and beauty, know more about the general, spread art works.
Art works: some of high value, while some not

20. What case can be made for or against X? (Persuasion)
The existence of critiques might lead to unintended harmful results.

zmjxf2008UID: 2597395

先贴上ISSUE144，143提纲稍后补上
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthre ... age=1#pid1772866765

xdjtfUID: 2615699

谢谢，写这种艺术类的问题我真的折磨啊。。。
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=971880&page=1&extra=

fiefuytUID: 2303116

144提纲：
1 提出问题，究竟什么是lasting，是谁gives society something of lasting value?artists or critics
2 论证critics给artists带来的负面影响
3 论证critics给artists带来的正面影响
4 提出critics应尽的职责
5 总结，critics和artists应协同合作
143
1 艺术家的创造性很重要，从事艺术就是从事创造工作。
2 批评家对艺术家创作的正面影响
3 批评家也会因为评论者的主观爱好和认识而存在局限性和误导性，因此会一定程度地抑制艺术家的创造力
4 如何解决这一矛盾
SOS：一开始我刚列143的提纲时几乎和144没什么两样，后来又重看了一遍草木班班的帖子才找到了不同点，我想请问两个如果写成一个相似的内容可以么，会不会没有很好地紧扣题目呢？会不会判离题呀？
PS:今天脑袋实在是转不过来了，20问明天一定补上：P
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthread.php?tid=975282&extra=
辛苦啦辛苦啦，谢谢楼上：）
等着下面的同学的大作哦，哈哈

juventuslandUID: 2631955

我理工科的写这篇满头大汗。。
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthre ... p;page=1&extra=

fiefuytUID: 2303116

I agree with the speaker’s idea that artists give society more lasting value rather than critics do which can be sustained by the following reasons.
The lasting value must have two most important features: eternity and wide influence. Eternal value means its value must sustain the test of time,though its value maybe not found at its period;And,wide influence can assure its valuable.the influence can not be too narrowed because wide influence means many people accept it,on the other hand,its valuable for the society.
Critics are those people who offer reasoned analysis and opinion.In art fields,their comments are useful,which can help select the best works of art for people to appreciate.However,they can not give lasting values.critics’ comments more or less reflect their individual views which are not always fair,and they are often accepted just at their time. Contemporary people even do not know how some artists commented by critics who are at their time.
    And,people now pay attention to works of art themselves rather than critiques. Artists are those ones, full of enthusiasm and passion ,to create their works,they devote themselves to the career,their works carry their soul of their mind,which sometimes give lasting value.Isadora Duncan,a famous artist in dancing,the constructor of modern dance.Her dancing winded over almost every land of the world to publicize her dacing mind.With her every motion and spin applauded by people,and with her publicizing modern dance as a devotee in artist,modern dance is now widely played by us all over the world,and it will be eternal because it is also developing quickly.
    What should be mentioned is that because sometimes critics will treat artists unfairly because of their prejudice which can mislead the society, sometimes even block the way to find the value.But these artists will never be ignored because they also give society last value as one day people start to appreciate them. Vincent Van Gogh,the Dutch painter,the representative artist of post-impressionists,his works never get admitted by critics until he ended life with suicide in depression and poverty.But now, his paintings are most popular and several are most expensive in the world.
    The value given by artists can enrich human’s life.We live better life as media,dance,painting around us every day,which can help us strength our understanding in the artists. What is more , art is filled with the value of communication,by which we can promote the communication with different countries,and even promote the tourism by attracting people to appreciate the works of arts.
    In sum,though we can not ignore the use of critics because they help society know art better at a certain extent,the artists can give the lasting values to society by their works.
看完整篇文章，我似乎没有什么可动笔改的地方，无论是从语言还是整体思路来看这都堪称是一篇上乘之作，里面的很多表达方式在我看来都值得好好学习呢，这又一次证明了我还是一只小菜鸟呀，哎···

不过似乎楼主也存在着和我一样的问题就是打完标点后没有空格就写下一句了，这是sakuraanne班班在我的一篇文章中指出的问题，咱们一起改正：)还有就是写完后可仔细检查一下拼写，如果在考试时出现拼写错误那就可惜啦：)
暂时能想到的也就这么些，期待更强的童鞋提出更多有启发性的意见，我这两天再好好研读下这篇文章，如果能有新的想法一定及时补充，水平确实有限，此次修改的结果还请楼主多多包涵包涵：P