issue180 法律和道德问题

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180"Many problems of modern society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system because moral behavior cannot be legislated."

[写得挺痛苦的，必回拍！]

简要提纲：
观点：不完全同意。承认有些道德行为超过了法律、立法能力。法律有漏洞，立法不健全；解决问题惩罚的威慑是一方面，但从预防、阻止发生的角度看应该加强道德教育[反对because，它因]。
1、        法律有漏洞，需要弥补[中国把高考等大规模考试的作弊列为违法，过去不是]。立法不健全造成社会不公平[一些法律给势力大的人权利大]。
2、        解决问题不单单靠惩罚，从根源入手解决更重要，而需要加强道德教育[谋杀罪列入法很久了单一反犯。（反），过去，很多地方没有锁的概念，因无偷盗]。
3、        承认，很多道德问题无法立法，最主要的原因是不同人的道德水准是不同的[安乐死]。

正文：

Ever since individuals began to associate with other people – live in society – laws and moral standards serve to control the society and behaviors of people. It is true myriads of problems in society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system, yet, the reason is not only that moral behavior cannot be legislated. Laws and legal system have their own shortcomings, which should also be paid attention by us.

First of all, the leak of laws and the insufficient legislation, to some degrees, result in the fact that there exist a lot of issues which cannot be handled by laws. Historically, moral standards are often the basis of law legislation. And in the process of perfecting laws people frequently remedy numerous leaks of laws, which ignored many immoral conducts in the past. For instance, in China cheating in the national college entrance examination is not an illegal conduct, but recently such activity has been listed in laws, denoted as crime. Turning to the legal system, the goal of law is fairness. This means that laws should recognize and protect some basic rights such as liberty and equality. If certain laws ensure that the strong groups can use their power to take unfair advantage on weak individuals, it would inevitably emerge certain matters disturb the order and stability of society. Amending ceaselessly laws is a necessary process for the legal system of a nation.

Next, only by punishing behaviors can hardly people handle problems effectively. Laws are extrinsic restrictions of social behaviors by punishing those who commit crimes, but moral standards are the intrinsic restrictions. Moralities help people benefit society automatically and prevent them form committing crimes. After opening any document of laws of a nation, murdering and stealing should always the illegal activities. However, these crimes have not despaired in any civilized society. For murdering, unless every person believes that each one has the equal rights to live in any case, such crimes would not despair. Meanwhile, in many areas, once there was no notion of lock there --people can left the door unlocked when living – because there was no stealing. From this point of view, it is certain aspects of moralities of people having been impaired that play a relatively vital role in social problems, rather than that moral behavior cannot be legislated.

Admittedly, there exist a myriad of conducts related to morality cannot be legislated in that, first or foremost, various people hold diverse standards about certain moral activities. Take the attitudes of different people on whether the mercy killing can be admitted in laws as an example. For mercy killing, some may assist that it is moral, whereas, others may posit it is immoral even though the patients would suffer from severe pains. Also, in some culture the pre – marriage pregnancy has no business with morality in some people’s mind, while it is immoral in others’. Just like mentioned above that sometimes moral standard is the foundation of laws. Then, whether the behaviors, like mercy killing and pre – marriage pregnancy is immoral or not is a contradiction, how do such conduct can be legislated?

To sum up, while conceding that there exist numerous problems unsolved by laws, such situation should not be only blamed to the reason that some moral behaviors are beyond the reach of legislation. Laws are not rigid and gradual mending combining legislation with morality are necessary.

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180"Many problems of modern society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system because moral behavior cannot be legislated."

[写得挺痛苦的，必回拍！]

简要提纲：
观点：不完全同意。承认有些道德行为超过了法律、立法能力。法律有漏洞，立法不健全；解决问题惩罚的威慑是一方面，（但从预防、阻止发生的角度看应该加强道德教育[反对because，它因]。这个转折怎么感觉和上面的连不起来呀。恩，单从这个观点上来看，不太同意，因为不清楚你的不承认部分体现在哪里）
1、        法律有漏洞，需要弥补[中国把高考等大规模考试的作弊列为违法，过去不是]。立法不健全造成社会不公平[一些法律给势力大的人权利大]。
2、        解决问题不单单靠惩罚，从根源入手解决更重要，而需要加强道德教育[谋杀罪列入法很久了单一反犯。（反），过去，很多地方没有锁的概念，因无偷盗]。
3、        承认，很多道德问题无法立法，最主要的原因是不同人的道德水准是不同的[安乐死]。

正文：

Ever since individuals began to associate with other people – live in society – laws and moral standards serve to control the society and behaviors of people. It is true（加个，吧） myriads of problems in society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system, yet, （the reason is not only that moral behavior cannot be legislated.这里你到底想表达的意思是什么捏？我有点模糊，你是还赞成立法还可以左右人的道德吗？我觉得这个题目主要是要说法律和道德在约束人的各种行为的时候的各自的作用吧。但是我不太明白你的侧重点） Laws and legal system have their own shortcomings, which should also be paid attention by us. （或者是你要再把观点再清晰点。呵呵。看到下面了。俺又回来补充一下）

First of all, the leak of laws and the insufficient legislation, to some degrees, result in the fact that there exist a lot of issues（加个小逗号，西西） which cannot be handled by laws. Historically, moral standards are often the basis of law legislation. And in the process of perfecting laws people frequently remedy numerous leaks of laws, which ignored many immoral conducts in the past. For instance, in China cheating in the national college entrance examination is not an illegal conduct, but recently such activity has been listed in laws, denoted as crime. Turning to the legal system, the goal of law is fairness. This means that laws should recognize and protect some basic rights such as liberty and equality. If certain laws ensure that the strong groups can use their power to take unfair advantage on weak individuals, it would inevitably emerge certain matters disturb the order and stability of society.（例子后面的分析最好和例子联系的紧密些，至少要提到几下下吧。嘿嘿） Amending ceaselessly laws is a necessary process for the legal system of a nation.（这个段落分析很好的耶。。赞，虽然你老是不让我赞，我怯生生的说总可以了吧）

Next, （only by punishing behaviors can hardly people handle problems effectively. 这个句子觉得有点别扭，是不是应该only by punishing behaviors, people can hardly handle problems effectively捏？我也知道倒装，不过这里好象不顺呀。恩。快讨论讨论。呼唤你）Laws are extrinsic restrictions of social behaviors by punishing those who commit crimes, but moral standards are the intrinsic restrictions. Moralities help people benefit society automatically and prevent them （form嘿嘿一个小错误都逃不过我雪亮的眼睛滴。From撒） committing crimes. After opening any document of laws of a nation, （murdering and stealing should always the illegal activities. 虾么意思呀）However, these crimes have not despaired in any civilized society. For murdering, unless every person believes that each one has the equal rights to live in any case, such crimes would not despair. Meanwhile, in many areas, once there was no notion of lock there --people can（ left哇呀呀，leave撒，你个小粗心哈。打PP） the door unlocked when living – because there was no stealing. (你的关于谋杀的论述我觉得挺好的，但是这个锁的，好象就不是很顺)From this point of view, it is certain aspects of moralities of people having been impaired that play a relatively vital role in social problems, rather than that moral behavior cannot be legislated. （是不是把顺序调整一下捏？我感觉先把你的那个谋杀和锁这两个小东西放在道德好处的前面，先说法律的不足，引出道德）

Admittedly, there exist a myriad of conducts related to morality cannot be legislated in that, （我觉得题目是在讨论立法能否规范人的道德行为，而不是讨论道德是否能立法吧）first or foremost, various people hold diverse standards about certain moral activities. Take the attitudes of different people on whether the mercy killing can be admitted in laws as an example. For mercy killing, some may assist that it is moral, whereas, others may posit it is immoral even though the patients would suffer from severe pains. Also, in some culture the pre – marriage pregnancy has no business with morality in some people’s mind, while it is immoral in others’. Just like mentioned above that sometimes moral standard is the foundation of laws. Then, whether the behaviors, like mercy killing and pre – marriage pregnancy is immoral or not is a contradiction, how do such conduct can be legislated?

To sum up, while conceding that there exist numerous problems unsolved by laws, such situation should not be only blamed to the reason that some moral behaviors are beyond the reach of legislation. Laws are not rigid and gradual mending combining legislation with morality are necessary.（呀，关于破题可以再讨论。恩，然后段落之间的层次我不是很明白。嘿嘿，语言和句子都很好的说，一直很佩服你的努力的。恩加油，继续互拍。）

[ 本帖最后由 果小冻 于 2006-2-1 16:58 编辑 ]

果小冻UID: 208370

180"Many problems of modern society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system because moral behavior cannot be legislated."

[写得挺痛苦的，必回拍！]

简要提纲：
观点：不完全同意。承认有些道德行为超过了法律、立法能力。法律有漏洞，立法不健全；解决问题惩罚的威慑是一方面，（但从预防、阻止发生的角度看应该加强道德教育[反对because，它因]。[这个转折怎么感觉和上面的连不起来呀。恩，单从这个观点上来看，不太同意，因为不清楚你的不承认部分体现在哪里]）
1、        法律有漏洞，需要弥补[中国把高考等大规模考试的作弊列为违法，过去不是]。立法不健全造成社会不公平[一些法律给势力大的人权利大]。
2、        解决问题不单单靠惩罚，从根源入手解决更重要，而需要加强道德教育[谋杀罪列入法很久了单一反犯。（反），过去，很多地方没有锁的概念，因无偷盗]。
3、        承认，很多道德问题无法立法，最主要的原因是不同人的道德水准是不同的[安乐死]。

正文：

Ever since individuals began to associate with other people – live in society – laws and moral standards serve to control the society and behaviors of people. It is true（[加个，吧] ）myriads of problems in society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system, yet, （[the reason is not only that moral behavior cannot be legislated.这里你到底想表达的意思是什么捏？我有点模糊，你是还赞成立法还可以左右人的道德吗？我觉得这个题目主要是要说法律和道德在约束人的各种行为的时候的各自的作用吧。但是我不太明白你的侧重点]） Laws and legal system have their own shortcomings, which should also be paid attention by us. [（或者是你要再把观点再清晰点。呵呵。看到下面了。俺又回来补充一下）]

First of all, the leak of laws and the insufficient legislation, to some degrees, result in the fact that there exist a lot of issues[（加个小逗号，西西）] which cannot be handled by laws. Historically, moral standards are often the basis of law legislation. And in the process of perfecting laws people frequently remedy numerous leaks of laws, which ignored many immoral conducts in the past. For instance, in China cheating in the national college entrance examination is not an illegal conduct, but recently such activity has been listed in laws, denoted as crime. Turning to the legal system, the goal of law is fairness. This means that laws should recognize and protect some basic rights such as liberty and equality. If certain laws ensure that the strong groups can use their power to take unfair advantage on weak individuals, it would inevitably emerge certain matters disturb the order and stability of society.[（例子后面的分析最好和例子联系的紧密些，至少要提到几下下吧。嘿嘿） ]Amending ceaselessly laws is a necessary process for the legal system of a nation.[（这个段落分析很好的耶。。赞，虽然你老是不让我赞，我怯生生的说总可以了吧）]

Next,[ （only by punishing behaviors can hardly people handle problems effectively. 这个句子觉得有点别扭，是不是应该only by punishing behaviors, people can hardly handle problems effectively捏？我也知道倒装，不过这里好象不顺呀。恩。快讨论讨论。呼唤你）]Laws are extrinsic restrictions of social behaviors by punishing those who commit crimes, but moral standards are the intrinsic restrictions. Moralities help people benefit society automatically and prevent them[ （form嘿嘿一个小错误都逃不过我雪亮的眼睛滴。From撒）] committing crimes. After opening any document of laws of a nation, [（murdering and stealing should always the illegal activities. 虾么意思呀）]However, these crimes have not despaired in any civilized society. For murdering, unless every person believes that each one has the equal rights to live in any case, such crimes would not despair. Meanwhile, in many areas, once there was no notion of lock there --people can[（ left哇呀呀，leave撒，你个小粗心哈。打PP）] the door unlocked when living – because there was no stealing. [(你的关于谋杀的论述我觉得挺好的，但是这个锁的，好象就不是很顺)]From this point of view, it is certain aspects of moralities of people having been impaired that play a relatively vital role in social problems, rather than that moral behavior cannot be legislated.[ （是不是把顺序调整一下捏？我感觉先把你的那个谋杀和锁这两个小东西放在道德好处的前面，先说法律的不足，引出道德）]

Admittedly, there exist a myriad of conducts related to morality cannot be legislated in that,[ （我觉得题目是在讨论立法能否规范人的道德行为，而不是讨论道德是否能立法吧）]first or foremost, various people hold diverse standards about certain moral activities. Take the attitudes of different people on whether the mercy killing can be admitted in laws as an example. For mercy killing, some may assist that it is moral, whereas, others may posit it is immoral even though the patients would suffer from severe pains. Also, in some culture the pre – marriage pregnancy has no business with morality in some people’s mind, while it is immoral in others’. Just like mentioned above that sometimes moral standard is the foundation of laws. Then, whether the behaviors, like mercy killing and pre – marriage pregnancy is immoral or not is a contradiction, how do such conduct can be legislated?

To sum up, while conceding that there exist numerous problems unsolved by laws, such situation should not be only blamed to the reason that some moral behaviors are beyond the reach of legislation. Laws are not rigid and gradual mending combining legislation with morality are necessary.[（呀，关于破题可以再讨论。恩，然后段落之间的层次我不是很明白。嘿嘿，语言和句子都很好的说，一直很佩服你的努力的。恩加油，继续互拍。）]

[ 本帖最后由 果小冻 于 2006-2-1 17:04 编辑 ]

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真是崩溃..我搞了四次才把颜色搞对了..汗呀虾.去吃饭先

我的马甲UID: 2177806

真是崩溃..我搞了四次才把颜色搞对了..汗呀虾.去吃饭先

抱歉，是我的问题，因为我自己从来不用变色工具，都是直接用寄托的编码，没有考虑到，所以自己随便加中括号等的。

呀，关于破题可以再讨论。恩，然后段落之间的层次我不是很明白。
（[the reason is not only that moral behavior cannot be legislated.这里你到底想表达的意思是什么捏？我有点模糊，你是还赞成立法还可以左右人的道德吗？我觉得这个题目主要是要说法律和道德在约束人的各种行为的时候的各自的作用吧。但是我不太明白你的侧重点]）

好啊，说说题目吧
"Many problems of modern society cannot be solved by laws and the legal system because moral behavior cannot be legislated."

对于很多问题不能被法律所解决，题目给出了一个原因，就是说道德的行为不能被立法，我觉得说法律不能约束部分道德行为和不能被立法说的大概一个意思。法律不是不能约束所有的道德行为，其实我想从法律的产生来讲最初都是把大家公认的道德水准作为标准来的（可能说得不对，对于这种文科的东西对我这个学数学的人来讲就是一知半解）。

我觉得这个题目主要是要说法律和道德在约束人的各种行为的时候的各自的作用吧。

我开始也是这么想的，所以原来就想先说法律的作用。后来觉得和题目谈的有点儿广了。
如果说题目就是一个因果型论证问题的话，我想即使比较法律和道德在人行为的约束上的作用，也要最后落到那个明显的BECAUSE上，那么多问题不能被法律解决到底是不是因为道德不能约束所有行为。我自己的正文展开后来就完全落在了这个因果问题上了（所以就顺势把原来的法律的赞美之词全都删了）。

观点：不完全同意。承认有些道德行为超过了法律、立法能力。法律有漏洞，立法不健全；解决问题惩罚的威慑是一方面，但从预防、阻止发生的角度看应该加强道德教育[反对because，它因]。
1、        法律有漏洞，需要弥补[中国把高考等大规模考试的作弊列为违法，过去不是]。立法不健全造成社会不公平[一些法律给势力大的人权利大]。
2、        解决问题不单单靠惩罚，从根源入手解决更重要，而需要加强道德教育[谋杀罪列入法很久了单一反犯。（反），过去，很多地方没有锁的概念，因无偷盗]。
3、        承认，很多道德问题无法立法，最主要的原因是不同人的道德水准是不同的[安乐死]。

就提纲说事吧。针对这个因果关系，按照一般的因果问题处理得，原因推结果那我是承认的，也就是说moral behavior cannot be legislated是一些问题不能让法律解决的原因。
但我反对的是这个原因不是唯一的原因，换句话说是通常的反对因果里的“另起炉灶”的方法，我举了两个他因（BODY里的前两个），问题不能被法律解决有一个原因是法律本身的不健全，云云（B1），另外，在对人的行为约束上，法律只是外部的，他更多的是对已犯罪的惩罚，而要想解决问题，最好防止它发生，这就需要内因，道德标准。这个分析构成了B2。
至于B3，就是承认原来论述了。其实，道德不能被立法也好，说道德不能完全约束人的行为也好，原因是很多的，我只找了一个原因，因为很多行为在人的道德那里还没有统一。
不知道我的意思说明白了没有。这题我想了很久，加入法律和道德在约束上的比较后，我不太会写，忘赐教！

Next,[ （only by punishing behaviors can hardly people handle problems effectively. 这个句子觉得有点别扭，是不是应该only by punishing behaviors, people can hardly handle problems effectively捏？我也知道倒装，不过这里好象不顺呀。恩。快讨论讨论。呼唤你）]

我自己也叫不准，写得时候是想限时的，所以就不管三七二十一的打，现在在家，手头资料也不全，我也忘了这个倒装具体怎么弄了。

但是这个锁的，好象就不是很顺

这个我也说不好，就是临时想到的，还得得意于前天看的介绍韩国济州岛的电视节目。

语言和句子都很好的说

我的语言很差的，特别是这篇还是抱着限时态度写的（虽然又没有成功，唉，什么时候能限时成功呢！），希望总劳您眼不会对您造成负面影响。

果小冻UID: 208370

1，我时间更紧张，却老是没有决心馅时，汗。另外马甲小朋友，和我还客气哈，下次不许用您，要不叫姐姐。
2，你的思路，说用存在其他原因，但是我 觉得不管是法律的漏洞，还是说道德教育的作用归根结底都是因为法律在道德上的弱区，至少从你的第一个和第二个分论点的举例或者论述上是这样的。你还是在谈法律和道德的关系。所以我觉得反而说不清楚。可以再交流。wozhuihong2003@hotmail.com