argument145 jingjing【kito补原来的作业】

jingjingtousUID：2164820

TOPIC: ARGUMENT145 - A new study collected data that shows that people who snore are more likely to gain weight than are people who do not snore. It is well known that many people who snore also stop breathing frequently during the night for a few seconds, a condition called sleep apnea. The interruption of breathing wakes the person-often so briefly that the waking goes unnoticed-and can leave the person too tired during the day to exercise. Anyone who snores, therefore, should try to eat less than the average person and to exercise more.
WORDS: 422          TIME: 0:30:00          DATE: 2006-2-16
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提纲：
1 snore与gain weight 没有必然联系，调查对象不能代表overall population
2 没有证据表明是sleep snore 导致增肥，可能是other trait
3 即使是，不代表所有snorer should eat less and exercise more可能他们本来就比正常人吃的少运动的多，besides, 如果是sleep apnea导致fatigue,再让他们去锻炼岂不更劳累？
Before accepting the author's recommendation that people who snore should attempt to eat less and to exercise more, I find the argument is not sufficiently supported by the evidence given. The author seems to unduly rely on the dubious and implicit assumptions and draw a conclusion which is fundamentally groundless.

To begin with, the mere study that shows people who snore are more likely to gain weight than normal people lends little credible support to the argument. Primarily, the sample of the survey might not be representative of the overall population who snore. Perhaps it is just limited to some workers who engage in the heavy job, or the aged people. Or perhaps it is the unorderly diet habit and consuming of foods with high oil that lead them become fatter. Thus, without considering and ruling such scenarios, the author's assumption that snoring is responsible for gaining weight is completely unconvincing.

In addition, the author fails to inform us what fractions of people who snore suffer from the sleep apnea spontaneously. So any conclusion that people gaining weight is probably attributable to the sleep apnea is gratuitous. It is entirely possible that most of people who snore have not suffered from sleep apnea, for that matter, there is a possibility that people diagnosed as sleep apnea patients are not those who gain weight. Otherwise, perhaps it is some other events that caused the weight increasing, for example, the genetic heritance or medical conditions. Absent for those traits, the author cannot persuade me that it is the sleep apnea that result in the adding weight.

Finally, the author's assumption that all the snorers should eat less and exercise more is open to doubt. Firstly, we are not informed whether the snorers have eat too much, it is highly possible that they eat much less than the normal person. Besides, even assuming that the sleep apnea made those people too tired during the day to exercise, we may suspect that: is it feasible for them to do more exercise during the day-time? Of course not, perhaps they will feel more fatigue after finishing the exercise and perhaps stand more chance of risking the sleep disease or other disease such as chronic insomnia. Furthermore, the author hastily generalized that all snorers should exercise more, however, it is totally possible that they have already done a lots of exercises or for that matter perhaps their health conditions do not allow them to do some kinds of extensive exercise.

To sum up, the argument is problematic in several respects as discussed above. It is perfunctory to draw the assumption that sleep apnea is responsible for the weight gaining. To form a stronger argument, the author should provide more detailed evidence about the functions of eating less and exercising more to the losing weight by the snorers to improve the credibility of his reasoning.

bunnymz2005UID：2146758

1．Study问题，样本容量和代表性。这个因果联系不成立，可能是因为其它原因，比如患者本身的体质，还有饮食结构。还有一点就是就算他们之间存在着联系，也有可能是长胖的人更容易打鼾，同样不一定是snore导致肥胖。（后边这点好像有点绕，看看就行，我也不确定，反正考试时候这一点应该是不会写的，呵呵^-^）
2．就算是snore导致了肥胖，也不一定是因为运动得少。可能他们根本就不爱运动；而且many这个信息太模糊，应该给出比例。
3．而且，就算真的是因为运动的少，打鼾的人不一定非要吃的少锻炼得多才能减肥。如果强行让他们吃的少多锻炼，可能会导致健康问题，本来晚上睡得就不好了。可以吃减肥药之类的，现代的科技很发达了。

jingjingtousUID：2164820

小花的观点很好，感谢，以上我全部认同，只是有一点：
可能他们根本就不爱运动， 这个alternative不正好支持了作者吗？
我觉得应该是他们本来可能就有经常锻炼所以作者认为snorer应该多运动不合理才是

bunnymz2005UID：2146758

可能他们根本就不爱运动， 这个alternative不正好支持了作者吗？

:)我也觉得这里有一点问题，我本意是这样的：
作者不是说，打鼾的人容易夜里呼吸暂停，导致白天劳累而无法运动，进而导致他们肥胖。前面的因果关系夜里呼吸暂停导致白天劳累我是默认的，但是对于是否因为劳累而无法运动进而导致肥胖我是有疑问的，可能他们本身就不爱运动，也就是说不管劳累还是不劳累，他们都不运动，这是由他们个人的习惯决定的。我这里强调的是snore就算引起了人肥胖，作用机理也不一定是因为不运动，一个人snore之前不运动，snore之后还是不运动，但是他长胖了，这怎么能跟运动扯上关系呢。我们可以猜测有可能是snore引起了其他更根本的问题，比如心脏病，呼吸系统疾病等引起人发胖的。

还是很乱，那jingjing是怎么想的呢？

jingjingtousUID：2164820

我觉得sleep apnea导致白天疲劳而无法运动这是我们所怀疑的，但是就无法运动导致肥胖完全是你的主观揣测，而且我们的一个大前提就是sleep apean 导致肥胖是错误的，而你在推无法运动导致肥胖的时候夹杂了个人的推测，觉得不妥，当然导致劳累可能是因为insomnia， 神经衰弱等

leedgenUID：160823

我也觉得“无法运动导致肥胖”不妥当，作者的思路是打呼噜的人要对运动防止发胖

leedgenUID：160823

Before accepting the author's recommendation that people who snore should attempt to eat less and to exercise more, I find the argument is not sufficiently supported by the evidence given. The author seems to unduly rely on the dubious and implicit assumptions and draw a conclusion which is fundamentally groundless.

To begin with, the mere study that shows people who snore are more likely to gain weight than normal people lends little credible support to the argument. Primarily, the sample of the survey might not be representative of the overall population who snore. Perhaps it is just limited to some workers who engage in the heavy job, or the aged people. Or perhaps it is the unorderly diet habit and consuming of foods with high oil that lead them become fatter. Thus, without considering and ruling [这里是想说ruling out吗？] such scenarios, the author's assumption that snoring is responsible for gaining weight is completely unconvincing.

In addition, the author fails to inform us what fractions of people who snore suffer from the sleep apnea spontaneously. So any conclusion that people gaining weight is probably attributable to the sleep apnea [文中也没有说sleep apnea会导致发胖啊? 尽管有着意思，可以这么攻击，我不确定啊] is gratuitous. It is entirely possible that most of people who snore have not suffered from sleep apnea, for that matter, there is a possibility that people diagnosed as sleep apnea patients are not those who gain weight. Otherwise, perhaps it[there] is some other events that caused the weight increasing[cause the increased weight], for example, the genetic heritance or medical conditions. Absent for those traits, the author cannot persuade me that it is the sleep apnea that result in the adding weight.

Finally, the author's assumption that all the snorers should eat less and exercise more is open to doubt. Firstly, we are not informed whether the snorers have eat [eaten] too much, [. It] it is highly possible that they eat much less than the normal person. Besides, even assuming that the sleep apnea made those people too tired during the day to exercise, we may suspect that: is it feasible for them to do more exercise during the day-time? Of course not, perhaps they will feel more fatigue[fatigued] after finishing the exercise and perhaps stand more chance of risking the sleep disease or other disease such as chronic insomnia. Furthermore, the author hastily generalized that all snorers should exercise more, however, it is totally possible that they have already done a lots of exercises or for that matter perhaps their health conditions do not allow them to do some kinds of extensive exercise.

To sum up, the argument is problematic in several respects as discussed above. It is perfunctory to draw the assumption that sleep apnea is responsible for the weight gaining. To form a stronger argument, the author should provide more detailed evidence about the functions of eating less and exercising more to the losing weight by the snorers to improve the credibility of his reasoning.

语言，句式都是很好地

就是有一点sleep apnea is responsible for the weight gaining，我们可以那么攻击么？
请教一下，毕竟题目也没有那么写啊