argument140 南智组luckychina第16次作业

luckychinaUID: 2131861

TOPIC: ARGUMENT140 - The following appeared in a report of the Committee on Faculty Promotions and Salaries at Elm City University.

"During her seventeen years as a professor of botany, Professor Thomas has proved herself to be well worth her annual salary of $50,000. Her classes are among the largest at the university, demonstrating her popularity among students. Moreover, the money she has brought to the university in research grants has exceeded her salary in each of the last two years. Therefore, in consideration of Professor Thomas' demonstrated teaching and research abilities, we recommend that she receive a $10,000 raise and a promotion to Department Chairperson; without such a raise and promotion, we fear that Professor Thomas will leave Elm City University for another college."
WORDS: 388          TIME: 限时失败          DATE: 2007-1-21

To prevent Professor Thomas from leaving Elm City University, the speaker recommend a salary raise and a promotion after demonstrating her well-done teaching and researching work. However, it is not reasonalable as it stands.

No evidence about the Professor Thomas' willing of leaving is available. Even if she plans to, the speaker may ignore some alternatives for her willing to leave. It is entirely possible that something important has happened to her family. Maybe her husband has changed his job to somewhere else. Again, maybe her parents who live in another state become sick and need some care and help. Also, maybe her children are grown up and she would not continue to work any more.  Unless the speaker does not rule out such possibilities, the recommendation about salary raise and promotion is suspicious.

Moreover, the evidences provided by the speaker do not have direct relationship with the outstanding performance. The speaker asserts that the largest classes and high research grants prove the professor is disordinary and worth her annual salary. But the matter may be something different. The largest classes do not necessary to prove the popularity among students. Are all the students compulsory to choose botany and Professor Thomas? Do all the students taking part in the classes pay attention and learn well by the professor's teaching methods? How many teachers on botany available? If the questions above are doubt to answer, the argument would be not as reasonable as taking at a first glance.

Even if the professor is qualified and plans to leave Elm City University as the speaker mentions, whether she is competent to Department Chairperson is unknown. The ability to teach and research is not equal to manage well. Maybe the professor always concentrates on her academic field rather than shrewd on interpersonal skills. Moreover, even though she is good at communication and management, the professor may prefer to remain her current job instead of being promoted to her uninteresting position. Therefore, the recommention to raise her salary and promote her to Department Chairperson would be suspicious before considering her ability and her own decision.

In conclusion, the argument is not as reasonable as it stands. Untill the speaker provides more evident that the competent professor plans to leave Elm City University because of the current salary, the argument would be convincible.

norman518UID: 188582

To prevent Professor Thomas from leaving Elm City University, the speaker recommend a salary raise and a promotion after demonstrating her well-done teaching and researching work. However, it is not reasonalable【reasonable】 as it stands.【丫头：你也太节省你的语言了，至少你应该指出它有那些逻辑错误的倾向哟】

No evidence about the Professor Thomas' willing of leaving is available【算说到一个要害了】. Even if she plans to, the speaker may ignore some alternatives for her willing to leave. It is entirely possible that something important has happened to her family. Maybe her husband has changed his job to somewhere else【出于人性化考虑哟？好象真的发生了学校也的确无能为力---学校不可能把其老公也raise and promote】. Again, maybe her parents who live in another state become sick and need some care and help. Also, maybe her children are grown up and she would not continue to work any more.  Unless the speaker does not rule out such possibilities, the recommendation about salary raise and promotion is suspicious.【还考虑得很周到哟：一家老小都一网打尽----出发点和攻击的思路是值得提倡的，但没有考虑到是“the Committee on Faculty Promotions and Salaries”提出的建议哟，感觉有~~拿耗子之疑哟！！】

Moreover, the evidences provided by the speaker do not have direct relationship with the outstanding performance. The speaker asserts that the largest classes and high research grants prove the professor is disordinary【没有该词，没有检查就交作业，对得起我3：30给你盖作业吗：unnecessary or fortuitous】 and worth her annual salary. But the matter may be something different. The largest classes do not necessary to prove the popularity among students. Are all the students compulsory to choose botany and Professor Thomas? Do all the students taking part in the classes pay attention and learn well by the professor's teaching methods? How many teachers on botany available? If the questions above 【all】 are doubt to answer, the argument would be not as reasonable as taking at a first glance.

Even if the professor is qualified and plans to leave Elm City University as the speaker mentions, whether she is competent to Department Chairperson is unknown. The ability to teach and research is not equal to manage well. Maybe the professor always concentrates on her academic field rather than shrewd on interpersonal skills. Moreover, even though she is good at communication and management, the professor may prefer to remain her current job instead of being promoted to her uninteresting position. Therefore, the recommention【recommendation】 to raise her salary and promote her to Department Chairperson would be suspicious before considering her ability and her own decision.

In conclusion, the argument is not as reasonable as it stands. Untill【until】 the speaker provides more evident that the competent professor plans to leave Elm City University because of the current salary, the argument would be convincible.

【丫头，最近在XDF上课吧：所以一定很忙？
最大的问题：和Alive一样，对原文的逻辑理解还不是很透彻，所以攻击的顺序欠妥：
前提（假设）：①PT对目前的工资和待遇（地位）不满②有离开学校的打算或有外校用高薪和高待遇诱惑PT
结论：出于对PT卓越的教学和科研能力的考虑，我们建议给PT加薪进爵。
而论据：①PT的课是该校最大的课à教学和能力强；②吸引研发资金à科研能力强；都是为了支持论点：PT卓越的教学和科研能力。
那么现在应该知道：“该先攻击结论及推理；后攻击论据”才是比较合理和逻辑清晰的写法。

BTW：有机会帮我侃侃
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[ 本帖最后由 norman518 于 2007-1-24 03:24 编辑 ]

luckychinaUID: 2131861

终于又见到Norman大哥啦~~谢谢你啦~~


To prevent Professor Thomas from leaving Elm City University, the speaker recommend a salary raise and a promotion after demonstrating her well-done teaching and researching work. However, it is not reasonalable【reasonable】 as it stands.【丫头：你也太节省你的语言了，至少你应该指出它有那些逻辑错误的倾向哟】好像是太简单了点，但不是说阿狗开头不用restate吗？confusedL

No evidence about the Professor Thomas' willing of leaving is available【算说到一个要害了】. Even if she plans to, the speaker may ignore some alternatives for her willing to leave. It is entirely possible that something important has happened to her family. Maybe her husband has changed his job to somewhere else【出于人性化考虑哟？好象真的发生了学校也的确无能为力---学校不可能把其老公也raise and promote】（我是想说因为她老公的工作调整，全家必须搬到其他地方去住，恩，没有说清楚哦）. Again, maybe her parents who live in another state become sick and need some care and help. Also, maybe her children are grown up and she would not continue to work any more.  Unless the speaker does not rule out such possibilities, the recommendation about salary raise and promotion is suspicious.【还考虑得很周到哟：一家老小都一网打尽----出发点和攻击的思路是值得提倡的，但没有考虑到是“the Committee on Faculty Promotions and Salaries”提出的建议哟，感觉有~~拿耗子之疑哟！！】恩，说的对，可能性可以说，一是她自身原因，可能希望retire或是不想在学校当教授了或是家庭方面的变动；二是对学校的其他方面不满意，比如同事，研究氛围，教学设备等。



B2改为

No evidence about the Professor Thomas’ willing of leaving is available. Even if she plans to, the speaker may ignore some alternatives for her willing to leave. On the one hand, it is entirely possible that it is her own concern.（“出于自身原因考虑”是这样说吗）Maybe her husband has changed his job to somewhere else, or her parents who live in another state become sick and need some care and help, or her children are grown up and she would not continue to work any more. Also, perhaps she just wants to retire from work, or she prefers to change to another job rather than keep teaching in her whole life. On the other hand, maybe the professor is malcontent with some other negative facets in the university rather than her salary and position, such as unfriendly faculties, conceited seniors, out-dated equipments, or profane academic atmosphere, which maybe possibly more important to a scholar concentrating on her academy rather than a social climber seeking her mundane profits. Unless the speaker rules out such possibilities, the recommendation about salary raise and promotion is suspicious.

Moreover, the evidences provided by the speaker do not have direct relationship with the outstanding performance. The speaker asserts that the largest classes and high research grants prove the professor is disordinary【没有该词，没有检查就交作业，对得起我3：30给你盖作业吗：unnecessary or fortuitous】 （这个~~错掉了~~改成excellent） and worth her annual salary. But the matter may be something different. The largest classes do not necessary to prove the popularity among students. Are all the students compulsory to choose botany and Professor Thomas? (Do students choose her classes only considering high passing ratio or high grades? Are only few teachers on botany available?) If the questions above 【all】（我这里不是想表达above all,而是说上面的这些问题） are doubt to answer, the argument would be not as reasonable as taking at a first glance.

Even if the professor is qualified and plans to leave Elm City University as the speaker mentions, whether she is competent to Department Chairperson is unknown. The ability to teach and research is not equal to manage well. Maybe the professor always concentrates on her academic field rather than shrewd on interpersonal skills.（If she is promoted to chairperson, there would be unfortunately one less competent professor for students and one more ineffective manager for the department as a result.）Moreover, even though she is good at communication and management, the professor may prefer to remain her current job instead of being promoted to her uninteresting position. Therefore, the recommention【recommendation】 to raise her salary and promote her to Department Chairperson would be suspicious before considering her ability and her own decision.

In conclusion, the argument is not as reasonable as it stands. Untill【until】 the speaker provides more evident that the competent professor plans to leave Elm City University because of the current salary, the argument would be convincible.

【丫头，最近在XDF上课吧：所以一定很忙？我去年暑假上的XDF，现在在准备专业考试呢~~
最大的问题：和Alive一样，对原文的逻辑理解还不是很透彻，所以攻击的顺序欠妥：前提（假设）：①PT对目前的工资和待遇（地位）不满②有离开学校的打算或有外校用高薪和高待遇诱惑PT结论：出于对PT卓越的教学和科研能力的考虑，我们建议给PT加薪进爵。而论据：①PT的课是该校最大的课à教学和能力强；②吸引研发资金à科研能力强；都是为了支持论点：PT卓越的教学和科研能力。那么现在应该知道：“该先攻击结论及推理；后攻击论据”才是比较合理和逻辑清晰的写法。


其实一直对攻击顺序很confused。恩，分析的很好，很受启发~~一定改~~
1.前提错：PT可能有其他原因要离开
2.结论错：即使因为薪水和待遇而想离开，PT也不见得能胜任新的职位
3.论据错：PT不见得那么有教学科研能力
可是B2，B3好像联系不太紧的说阿~~norman怎么看呢？

BTW：有机会帮我侃侃 恩，这就去拜读~~】