issue36 by-kito-team-gaojie 欢迎光临！

gaojiehahaUID: 2149729

Issue36:（529）
The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.
Ontline:
1、由于时代的局限性个人的伟大不能得到公正的评判（毛泽东）
2、由于同时代的人看到的只是当时社会的一小部分，评判不全面(只缘身在此山中)
3、由于某些个人思想的超前性，往往不能让同时代人接受（Vogh）
正文：
Who can decide whether a man is greatness or not? Their contemporaries or their later generations? As far as I concern, for the limitation of the times and individuals, most great people are decided by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.

Due to the limitation of the times, the greatness of individuals cannot be decided by their contemporaries fairly. Admittedly, most people's minds, such as world view, value view. etc, are effected heavily by their surroundings and circumstances. And because of some dominant social ideology, conventions and beliefs, people's perspective are always relatively narrow and limit compared with that of next generations. For example, Mao Zhedong, one of the most famous chairmen in China, was considered as a sage, the most wise man without any fault, by his contemporaries in the contemporary era. But after decades of years, later generations give a more objective judge: though Chairman Mao had done great contributions to China, he had made several mistakes in decision-making. It shows later generations have a more justify judgment in decisions.

In addition, the later generations judge the things more comprehensive. It is easily understandable given the illustration of mountain climbing. When one climbs the mountain, he/she can appreciate the views around him/her. However, it is hard for him to have an all-sided impression. Only if he/she stands on the top of the mountain, he/she can take in every scene in a glance. Contemporaries like the viewers on the middle of the mountain, they can see part of the society, but without a whole realization, while later generations like the people on the top of the mountain, they can see the whole society and give fair decisions to historical individuals about whether they are greatness.

Also, some individuals cannot be decided justify by their contemporaries by the reason that they are avant-garde whose point of view are often obscure and hard to understand. Take Von Gogh as an example. He was a typical avant-garde that his works do not accepted by his contemporaries that he lives a poor life and regarded as madness. Nobody could understand what the things appearing in his painting means. However, nowadays, his works are invaluable and he is considered as one of the most famous masters in impressionism paintings. That is to say, maybe the great individuals are not accepted by their contemporaries for the limitation of knowledge and so on, later generations would better decide the greatness of individuals.

Yet I do not mean that only later generations can decide the greatness of individuals, some lucky individuals can be found their greatness by their contemporaries. Such as Mother Teresa, who contributed greatly to the medication and nursing of the developing countries, was award the Nobel Prize of Peace by people who live in a same time with her.

In sum, the greatness of individuals are mostly decided by those who live after them for the broad and comprehension of later generation's mind, non-limitation of individuals' time. Admittedly, I do not exclude the possibility that some lucky individuals are decided as great men by their contemporaries. However, the number is limited.

hzyj0322UID: 2155800

哇,咱俩想得差不多,我想说时空来着,就是很难下手,我得借鉴一下你的提纲,很不错哦

hzyj0322UID: 2155800

总体来看真是写的不错.有例子,有比喻,很全面,正反都有了
我很喜欢这个提纲

分析再深入点就更好了

gaojiehahaUID: 2149729

Originally posted by hzyj0322 at 2005-12-29 01:15
总体来看真是写的不错.有例子,有比喻,很全面,正反都有了
我很喜欢这个提纲

分析再深入点就更好了

接受意见，以后注意分析部分，嘻嘻～～

不知道可不可以举毛主席的例子啊！:confused:

hzyj0322UID: 2155800

当然可以了,我觉得毛的例子还很好呢

leedgenUID: 160823

Who can decide whether a man is greatness or not? Their contemporaries or their later generations? As far as I concern, for the limitation of the times and individuals, most great people are decided by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries.很简洁的开头，观点鲜明，不错

Due to the limitation of the times, the greatness of individuals cannot be decided by their contemporaries fairly. Admittedly, most people's minds, such as world view, value view. etc, are effected heavily by their surroundings and circumstances. And because of some dominant social ideology, conventions and beliefs, people's perspective are always relatively narrow and limit compared with that of next generations. For example, Mao Zhedong, one of the most famous chairmen in China, was considered as a sage, the most wise man without any fault, by his contemporaries in the contemporary era. But after decades of years, later generations give a more objective judge: though Chairman Mao had done great contributions to China, he had made several mistakes in decision-making. It shows later generations have a more justify judgment in decisions.在伟人的双面性上我不确定可不可以，题目写的只是伟大，没说怎么公正判定一个人的成就，到底可不可以啊，大家讨论一下，我当时也想写这种例子来着

In addition, the later generations judge the things more comprehensive. It is easily understandable given the illustration of mountain climbing. When one climbs the mountain, he/she can appreciate the views around him/her. However, it is hard for him to have an all-sided impression. Only if he/she stands on the top of the mountain, he/she can take in every scene in a glance. Contemporaries like the viewers on the middle of the mountain, they can see part of the society, but without a whole realization, while later generations like the people on the top of the mountain, they can see the whole society and give fair decisions to historical individuals about whether they are greatness.

Also, some individuals cannot be decided justify by their contemporaries by the reason that they are avant-garde whose point of view are often obscure and hard to understand. Take Von Gogh as an example. He was a typical avant-garde that his works do not accepted by his contemporaries that he lives a poor life and regarded as madness. Nobody could understand what the things appearing in his painting means. However, nowadays, his works are invaluable and he is considered as one of the most famous masters in impressionism paintings. That is to say, maybe the great individuals are not accepted by their contemporaries for the limitation of knowledge and so on, later generations would better decide the greatness of individuals.

Yet I do not mean that only later generations can decide the greatness of individuals, some lucky individuals can be found their greatness by their contemporaries. Such as Mother Teresa我也用了这个例子，呵呵, who contributed greatly to the medication and nursing of the developing countries, was award the Nobel Prize of Peace by people who live in a same time with her.

In sum, the greatness of individuals are mostly decided by those who live after them for the broad and comprehension of later generation's mind, non-limitation of individuals' time. Admittedly, I do not exclude the possibility that some lucky （归结为lucky，我觉得有点牵强，只是世人能认同他们的成就）individuals are decided as great men by their contemporaries. However, the number is limited.

gaojiehahaUID: 2149729

在伟人的双面性上我不确定可不可以，题目写的只是伟大，没说怎么公正判定一个人的成就，到底可不可以啊，大家讨论一下，我当时也想写这种例子来着

但是我觉得是通过这个例子说明，后来人评判的更准确，会更有深度，而当代人可能的评判是不准确的，嘻嘻··

归结为lucky，我觉得有点牵强，只是世人能认同他们的成就

我是觉着相对那些不能被同时代的人肯定的人，比如哥白尼啊等等，还受到压迫，那些能被同时代的人肯定的人当然是幸运啦！不过我这也是一家之言，不知道可不可以，会不会被不认同:confused: