ISSUE212 个人第三作，渴望狠拍

DidasWUID: 2666962

TOPIC: ISSUE212 - "If a goal is worthy, then any means taken to attain it is justifiable."
WORDS: 592
TIME: 00:56:42
DATE: 2009/8/3 0:05:31
提纲：1.这个作为一种倡导，其内在的浮躁情绪和不合理性只会激化社会矛盾，使社会问题更加严重。
2.在作为一种价值判断的意义上，人们首先会想到的就是一些社会上的极端行为。但这只是很浅的层面上的。
3一些人会说，从逻辑上看，“任何方式都合理”并不可以导出“极端的自私的手段最有效”，由于现在人们间的相互作用越来越强，在“任何方式都合理”的基本假设下，也可以认为折中的办法是最好的。
4.即使是上面这一论断也是没什么可取之处的，因为从逻辑上说，这个命题首先就引入了“值得”这一概念，而由于不同地区民族国家的文化历史宗教等不同的原因，他们的价值观也不同，对于同一件事到底值得不值得的判断也不同，所以这个命题即使只作为一个价值判断，也不能帮我们缓和任何矛盾，解决任何问题。
总之……………………


Be worthy or not? That is the question. The statement above looks strong but is born disabled and sounds ridiculous. At the first glance of this slogan-looked saying, one may feels queasy about the word "any", but I somehow would like to pay more attention on the word "worthy" to conceal its unreasonablity.

Firstly, as an advocacy, this statement was inherently bond with the fickleness and a sense of haste. Once the statement was ratified, our society which was already groaning under the stupendous pressure and the accelerating pace will suffer more. Our youth would think that to gain higher grades, cheating is justifiable; our bosses would consider that to gain higher profits, more exploitation is justifiable...all the situation mentioned above will only deteriorate the situation and lead to more suffering in our lives.

Apart from being a advocacy this statement is born malformed as I mentioned. Everyone with a clear mind, when heard about this proposition, might associate this idea with extreme actions. For example, a poor man under tremendous social and psychological pressure determined himself to robbing the bank in order to feed his hungry kids, which appears frequently on the screens nowadays; or the extremists force the airplane to hit into the once-existed World Trade Center for maybe some unknown "glorious" goals and finally create the huge tragedy. But logically this was too superficial for this proposition.

A reasonable mind would argue that everybody as irreplaceable components, in a certain degree, is connected. To achieve certain worthy goal, that any method is justifiable is not equivalent to "we should take the extreme ways to attain our goals". And as we interact, immediately or indirectly, with all the fellow members in this world, to some extent known as "six degrees of separation" , no one can get access to infinite resources and do whatever he wants. Maybe we should reevaluate the statement, maybe it only means the basic assumption is “any means is justifiable” but we should take the modest ones because they are of the highest efficiency,

However this somewhat more profound proposition is no better than the former one, in that it do not hit the very point: worthy. How can we define this word? As it is self-evident that different areas, races, nations hold different attitude towards one thing as the history, culture, religion together shape different value system. In this era of globalization, the problem which the whole world confronted together are, for instance, culture confliction, which include assimilation of exotic culture and value and the loss of traditions and conventions; profit confliction, namely, the rich ones want to exploit the poor ones' raw material and food resources therefore perpetuate their once-built position in the economic world. These problems are the largest obstacles in our way to the bright future as a whole human entity, and therefore must be overcome. The spirit of author's statement brought a vital confusion by the word worthy: when two value systems opposed against each other, what is right and what is wrong? In such conflictions, each side will not compromises as its goal is worthy. Finally this solvable situation becomes a deadlock, no one can benefit from it and the future go dimmer. It's surely a bad scenario for our now endeavor of building a global society, and it’s only consequence would be deterioration of this mess.

In sum, this statement is neither beneficial as an advocacy nor useful to guide our behavior as a value judgment. All it could bring were conflictions and confusions and is itself a paradox.

DidasWUID: 2666962

自己对自己写的感觉有点希望，写的还是太少，表达能力还是太弱，我觉得即使思路不变，这篇文章还是可以改的相对不错的。希望各位多多提意见，狠狠拍，一点不用留面子，多尖锐都可以，恳求。

必回拍

DivineUID: 2650173

1 题中的worthy是指有价值吧，应该不是值得的意思
2 开头说要讨论worthy 第二段却在说justifiable 批驳题目的观点却没有提出自己的 这也是一个严重问题
这一篇issue写得像argument,因为始终没有立论 只是在驳斥题目
3 第三段是说no one can get access to infinite resources and do whatever he wants.然后推出
结论we should take the modest ones because they are of the highest efficiency 但这两句之间没有必然联系，或者说作者没有阐明为什么前者推出后者，可能作者认为这是显然的，但考官需要猜测你的意思 另外，no one can do 是指能力不足，能力不足就没有should or should not的问题，这里作者是否应该是说因为人与人之间的联系，即使worthy也不能损害他人的合法权益。
4 第四段不错 说明不同群体间对worthy的考虑不同
5 最后结尾依然没有论点...

DivineUID: 2650173

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wangkuoUID: 2596657

首先我认为值得与有价值没有什么本质的区别，至少在论证上来说。其次我认为本文主要都是在论证这种不择手段是不正确的，不管你是在第一段说社会会产生矛盾还是第二段中人们会采取极端方式，我认为这不是站在两个角度上的。还有在第四段中关于WORTHY的论述，在定义他与本题的要求有些远，题目强调是认为有价值时是不是应该去不择手段的做，而不是在讨论有无价值，我认为应该去比较在不同地区不同宗教下人会不会不择手段达到目的。最后我的思路是：1、肯定为了目标，努力进取是正当是应该提倡的——日心说的几位科学家对真理的追求2、但是不择手段是不对——就像你所讲的造成社会混乱 我想这也应该分领域 科学上不可学术造假获得名望与经费 商业不能为了追求利润而不考虑社会效益——裁员 环境效益——污染 但是在政治领域 则应考虑马基雅维利的学说 毕竟此题就是由此产生的 政治家也要讲道德和忠诚 诚实。结尾一分为二 讲追求无错 注意方式方法 这样就不像一个ARGUMENT了

wangkuoUID: 2596657

也帮我拍拍啊 http://bbs.gter.ce.cn/bbs/thread-991542-1-1.html

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3# Divine

确实是，昨天晚上11点多准备好开始写，写完都十二点出头了，本来感觉能写好的东西都感觉写的有气无力，后面还写的特别乱。又不想走那种说“恰当的手段才是正确”的这样的老路，然后就出来这样一篇人不人鬼不鬼的东西，今天脑子清楚些，得赶快改下才行。多谢了

DivineUID: 2650173

值得我觉得有一层含义是要付出代价 有价值只是指目标本身
5# wangkuo

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5# wangkuo


多谢，我努力修改一下，让这玩意从A向I 转型………………真是被动，昨天想动笔写A的，看了不少时间，然后下笔就写出来这东西了

cindyboxUID: 2615094

不好意思，现在才来看帖子
    没有改过帖子，所以没有什么经验。。。。
    首先感觉第一段和第二段可以组合一下，写成这个advocacy误导人们去为达目的不择手段，因此会导致社会混乱；
    感觉没有必要用一段去提出其他人的假设，再去进行反驳，另外“The spirit of author's statement brought a vital confusion by the word worthy: when two value systems opposed against each other, what is right and what is wrong? In such conflictions”一句是不是放在段落靠前的位置比较好呢..
    还有感觉写到后来写high了，有些句子的结构就有些不太清楚了，出现了类似连着两个and等情况。。
    然后就看不出来了.....ah......

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10# cindybox

兄台你那句 写HIGH了  说的精辟一塌糊涂…………到最后脑子就跟短路一样，看到时间已经过了60分钟，然后脑子就烧了，纯乱写到后面。这篇我还再改，考虑要有大动作才行。谢谢谢谢，以后一起互相拍