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本帖最后由 shenxianhu 于 2010-1-30 22:45 编辑

by SXH
Does one can tell much about people’s attitudes and interests, even a society’s ideas and value by observing the appearance and behavior of those people? The speaker claims so and I agree with him in some cases. However, in many other respects It is not comprehensive to realize a society’s ideas and values merely through appearance and behaviors while ignoring other elements including historical research and cultural acknowledge.

One thing I have to admit is that many features of people’s dress and behaviors demonstrate what exist around us, and even perform as the micro pictures of the whole society at times. As for the reasons, we can see that every individual is actually the cell in the community, and no one can totally isolate himself from others. This is a kind of human nature. Thus, a society’s ideas and values must have imposed great influence on every people’s look, dress and act. This can explain why we often find some traces which seem to adhere to the society.  

Among styles of people’s life, dress may be the most outstanding example. As far as we know, Americans prefer to wear relaxing apparel such like jeans and T-shirts, which reveals attitudes involves convenience and open-mind. It also indicates that people from America desire to grab freedom. When we refer to people in Afghan, through the TV and newspaper, we know they always dress in black cloth, and women wear veils. It reflects not only unfair role of a woman in Afghan’s society, but also a dominant role that religious doctrine play in people’s daily life.

Another example involves the action of people. We can see many scenes including kisses in France, through which we can tell French are influenced by romanticism. English behave in genteel and respective action towards one another, because society pay a vast majority of attention to manners. Moreover, Americans develop a habit that they like to hug with others if they had not met each other for long time, which maybe stem of their open mind. Therefore, it’s believed that we can find many evidence about actions are in accordance with the values and ideas of society.

Having recognized the relation between people’s appearance and society’s values, by no means can we deny that it is obviously not all-inclusive. Our eyes often can’t tell us truths according to the fact the society is complicated as well as the human nature is not superficial. So in many cases only through the way people look, dress and act we fail to find a society’s idea and values. Especially in modern times, the trend of globalization makes us to consider companied with many other elements including historical research and cultural acknowledge. For example, people in China are influenced generally by other countries such as America since the reform and open policy enacted. More and more people like to wear jeans and T-shirts, which reveals open-minded trend in China. However, most of Chinese appear to be modest because of the influence of Confucianism. Rather than exploring by appearances and behaviors, we need to learn in historical and cultural level. Could we say Many people are modest in other countries based on the influence of Confucianism?

In sum, it’s safe to say that in order to learn a society’s idea and value, not only we refer to the observation of people’s appearance and behavior, but also we need to have a deep step through social research and cultural acknowledge.

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I agree that we can deduce the attitudes of people or ideas of societies form people's and society's appearance, which is a convenient method to obtain their attitudes and ideals. However, we cannot achieve accurate information about people's attitudes or society's ideas only by people's appearance because it is a subjective method and many people are unwilling to reveal their inner world.
首段简要点明了下面要论述的内容,很好
  To begin with, I acknowledge that we can know the ideals of society or attitudes of people by their appearance. Individuals' pursuits and behaviors will reveal their feelings and attitudes. For example, people are apt to have an x-ray and prevail(不能这么用吧,这是个动词) in the upper class after Roentgen discovers the X-ray, which happened in the second industrial revolution. In the second industrial revolution, every one recognized the power of technology, and pursue to use the most highly technology. This phenomenon discloses that high technology is one of the most important things in society, in other words pursuit to high technology is the ideals of the society which we infer from their behaviors.
例子是用了,但感觉不是那么有说服力,觉得应该论述人们在X-RAY上的行为方面多写些
  However, appearance cannot reveal the society's ideals accurately due to the subjectivity of the judgment that we deduce people's attitudes from their appearance. As we always said "there are a thousand Hamlets in a thousand people's eyes". We can achieve different conclusions from one particular affair. For instance, Thoreau lives apart from urban, and stay solitarily in the Walden. From his essay Civil Disobedience, we can acknowledge that resisting the unjust society is his purpose. But what will we think without this essay?Many people will think he is just unsociable and eccentric people, and perhaps they will not think he has such a certain purpose. Thus we cannot judge what ideas and attitudes do(应该去掉,这是个从句) societies and people have only by the appearance because it is too subjective.
这段里面例子用的不错,但是,你的例子和例子前面的论述不对应啊。例子是说仅仅 从外表上看如何如何,从他的作品上看又如何如何。但是例子前面的论述说的是不同的人对同一件事情的看法不一样。我不太能理解。可能是有联系,只是你没说清楚联系。不知道我说的对不对。
  Finally, the appearance is not accurate information because it probably is mendacious information. They conceal their real thought for some particular purpose which is benefit to them.  The real number of Christian is an excellent example, lots of people claim that they are Christian and they believe in Jesus, and they maybe go to church every Sunday. Is it mean that they are pious Christians? My answer is negative. Some of them also always lie, and maybe they also commit crimes. There are several possibility for that they pretend to they are Christian. They maybe want to join into the mainstream society, want to communicate with others more easily. Thus we cannot trust some people's behavior or appearance because it may be pseudo.
我建议是不是应该把christine的例子换成其他的,比如对某项政策的支持和反对。我觉得国外尤其是美国的基督徒还是比较虔诚的吧,用基督会不会不好。这个我不太懂,可能有不对的地方,呵呵
  In general, observing their appearance is an excellent means to obtain people's thought and attitudes or society's ideals. However, we should notice its flaws, such as its subjectivity and the possibility of fake.
首先,词汇用的比较丰富。另外,例子用的都很有新意。这亮点都是值得我学习。我的例子都是别人用的老掉牙的了。学习了。整个文章结构还是比较合理的。里面可能在叙述方面稍微改进点。

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本帖最后由 imlifewilling 于 2010-2-1 20:37 编辑

by 懒蚂蚁


When we talk about the way people look, dress, and act, in some situations, it do reveal their attitudes and interests. However, people's appearances are very likely to be influenced by the surroundings. In addition, those who want to learn about a society's ideas and values must keep in mind that it is not only reflected by the people's customs and habits.

In the first place, we can tell about some attitudes and interests of a society from its people's outlooks and actions. A society with many people who are obese may pay more attention to indulgence and comfortable life rather than physical exercise and healthy life. A society whose citizens wear colourful clothes is like to accept the fashion styles, while a society whose citizens like to wear traditional costumes, such as Japan, places more emphasis on traditions.what's more, a society, like China, with the mass who have genteel and respectful behaviors lay more attention to people's dignity, and people in those society are much more respect for others and more tolerance of other people's different ideas or attitudes. Form this point of view, the way people look, wear and act serves as an important part in reflecting the particulars of a society.

However, we should keep in mind that those appearances and activities of a society's people can be easily affected by the circumstances. Since it is the people who decide what to wear or how to act, they can act in different styles, if not totally adverse,  to the public according to the surroundings and their own needs. In the sixties and seventies of China, most people wore the blue clothes in the same style. Can we simply draw a conclusion that the ideas and attitudes of people at that time are rigid? Absolutely no. It is the society's situations of that time that made the people cover their free minds with those clothes. And after the reform and open policy, people in China changed their outlooks in a short time, which reflected the strong aspiration of freedom in their deep heart. In short, the environments surround the people play an important role in deciding people's outlooks. Therefore, in some circumstance, people's customs and actions can not reflect a society properly.

What's more, other elements such as traditions and customs, economics and politics, and culture of a society which also reflect the society values and ideas can not be ignored in analyzing it. Without the traditions and customs, it is hard for one to learn the old ideas and basic foundations of a society; without the economics and politics, it is not possible for one to draw out one society's current values; without the culture, no matter it is traditional or contemporary, it is difficult for one to fabric a comprehensive system of a society's ideas. So all in all, in order to understand a society comprehensively, one needs to explore the society in more respects rather than only focus on the peoples appearances or actions.

From what have been discussed above, we can make a conclusion that we can learn something about a society from people if we can exclude the influences of environments on them. In addition, we'd better to learn the society in a full respects for the totally and thoroughly understanding.

修改SXH
Does one can tell(Can one tell ) much about people’s attitudes and interests, even a society’s ideas and value by observing the appearance and behavior of those people? The speaker claims so and I agree with him in some cases. However, in many other respects It is not comprehensive to realize a society’s ideas and values merely through appearance and behaviors while ignoring other elements including(个人感觉用such as) historical research and cultural acknowledge.
开头不错,简单的说出了自己的观点,有些情况同意作者的观点,但是其他的方面还是要考虑的。
One thing I have to admit is that many features of people’s dress and behaviors demonstrate what exist around us, and even perform as the micro pictures of the whole society at times. As for the reasons, we can see that every individual is(as) actually the cell in the community, and no one can totally isolate himself from others. This is a kind of human nature. Thus, a society’s ideas and values must have imposed great influence on every people’s look, dress and act. This can explain why we often find some traces which seem to adhere to the society.  
这段写社会是一个整体,人是其中的元素,社会对人有一定的影响。但是最后一句和前面的感觉不连贯。而且你这段可能是要引起下面的分类讨论,最好有个过渡吧,要不然和下面也没有连接上。
Among styles of people’s life, dress may be the most outstanding example. As far as we know, Americans prefer to wear relaxing apparel such like jeans and T-shirts, which reveals attitudes involves(involving) convenience and open-mind. It also indicates that people from America desire to grab freedom(这句和上一句的连接不是很顺畅,感觉有断层,我也有这个问题。). When we refer to people in Afghan, through the TV and newspaper, we know they always dress in black cloth, and women wear veils. It reflects not only unfair role of a woman in Afghan’s society, but also a dominant role that religious doctrine playS in people’s daily life.
说明了服装对于反映社会的作用,第一句之说了穿着时一个好的例子,但是并没有说明是什么的例子?所以要吧观点明确下。这很可能是因为你上段和这里没有说明联系。
Another example involves the action of people. We can see many scenes including kisses in France, through which we can tell French are influenced by romanticism. English behave in genteel and respective action towards one another, because society pay a vast majority of attention to manners. Moreover, Americans develop a habit that they like to hug with others if they had not met each other for long time, which maybe stem of(from) their open mind. Therefore, it’s believed that we can find many evidence about actions (that)are in accordance with the values and ideas of society.
说明人的行为可以反映社会价值。
Having recognized the relation between people’s appearance and society’s values, by no means can we deny that it is obviously not all-inclusive. Our eyes often can’t(感觉不对) tell us truths according to the fact(that) the society is complicated as well as the human nature is not superficial. So in many cases only through the way people look, dress and act we fail to find a society’s idea and values. Especially in modern times, the trend of globalization makes us to consider companied with many other elements including historical research and cultural acknowledge(这句不通顺). For example, people in China are influenced generally by other countries such as America since the reform and open policy enacted. More and more people like to wear jeans and T-shirts, which reveals open-minded trend in China. However, most of Chinese appear to be modest because of the influence of Confucianism(前一句说more and more,后一句却说most,这样不是很好吧。). Rather than exploring by(the) appearances and behaviors, we need to learn in historical and cultural level(这句很突兀啊,所以你最好说一下历史文化能给我们带来什么). Could we say Many people are modest in other countries based on the influence of Confucianism?(这句给人的感觉是未完待续
这段说明要研究文化和历史。一些问题在文中指出来了。
In sum, it’s safe to say that in order to learn a society’s idea and value, not only we refer to the observation of people’s appearance and behavior, but also we need to have a deep step through social research and cultural acknowledge.这句话感觉要用到装,但是没有看出来你的句子体现出了这种结构。

总结:开头结尾比较清楚
        例子太多,论证较少,感觉说服力不强,好像就是摆了几个例子而已。
个人愚见。

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本帖最后由 Athena.missing 于 2010-2-1 22:36 编辑

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The speaker holds the point of view that the way people look, dress and act reveals their personal attitudes and interests, and also the social idea can be expressed through the appearance and behavior of its people. This assertion can hold water to some extent, but it is too general and absolute. The society’s idea immerse into every aspect of people’s life, and it is so hidden that cannot be embodied correctly simply by the exterior appearance of people.

No one can be completely the same with another person on this planet. Everyone has his own habit and method of thinking, just as the saying goes:” 1000 readers may have 1000 different Hamlet in heart.” Therefore, the way they look, dress and act can embody their personal taste and specific design for life. For instance, when contact with artists, who are said to be particularly sensitive about life style, we can often find that their way of dressing and speaking are different from what ordinary people are accustomed to, and may hard for us to understand thoroughly. Sometimes, they are described as strange and queer or someone refer to them as fashion and trend. In fact, this is just their taste, the result of personal choices, which reveals their own attitudes and interests.

Another factor which will influence the way people dress is social customs. As human beings are the basic elements of society, and they are influenced continuously by each other and thus, shape the conception and value of the whole community, the appearance of them also demonstrates the society’s ideas. Everyone who lives in the society is the carrier of the values of his own country. For instance, the color the wedding dress for bride in western countries is white, which is the symbol of purity and integrity, while in China, people prefers red as the lucky color in the wedding ceremony. The disparity of choice of color is the concrete example of how society’s idea decides people’s look and dress.

There exists another possibility that the ways people dress neither connect with his personal interests nor embody specific social values. Many people don’t care about their appearances. For example, many scientists devote his all efforts and enthusiasm into his researches and do not have time to design what he will look like. Einstein is one of them. He wore worn clothes and didn’t cut his hair. No one can judge him as a leading authority in scientific realm simply from his appearance. Moreover, as the globalization becomes the main stream of today’s world, people from all over the world may just follow the same fashion. People in China no longer wear Han Fu, the traditional clothes dates back to Han Dynasty in China, and the daily clothes for Japanese women is no longer only kimono. People in every quarter of the earth may dress like the same. In this sense, the particularity of one nation disappears, and the assimilation of society begins to play the key role.

Based on the  arguments above, we can safely draw the conclusion that no matter the target of our observation is a person, or a society, the exterior aspects is helpful but not sufficient to reflect the interior part. We need more study work by different measures as many as possible, to make a more comprehensive and profound judgment.

改蚂蚁的

When we talk about the way people look, dress, and act, in some situations, it do(does) reveal their attitudes and interests. However, people's appearances are very likely to be influenced by the surroundings. In addition, those who want to learn about a society's ideas and values must keep in mind that it is not only reflected by the people's customs and habits.


首段表明观点.

In the first place, we can tell about some attitudes and interests of a society from its people's outlooks and actions. A society with many people who are obese may pay more attention to indulgence and comfortable life rather than physical exercise and healthy life. A society whose citizens wear colorful clothes is like to accept the fashion styles, while a society whose citizens like to wear traditional costumes, such as Japan, places more emphasis on traditions. What's more, a society, like China, with the mass who have genteel and respectful behaviors lay more attention to people's dignity, and people in those society are much(pay) more respect for others and more tolerance of other people's different ideas or attitudes. Form(from) this point of view, the way people look, wear and act serves as an important part in reflecting the particulars of a society.


观点是人们的行为可以反映社会价值.
但是个人觉得这段的例子有些牵强了..

However, we should keep in mind that those appearances and activities of a society's people can be easily affected by the circumstances. Since it is the people who decide what to wear or how to act, they can act in different styles, if not totally adverse, to the public according to the surroundings and their own needs.(没看懂…) In the sixties and seventies of China, most people wore the blue clothes in the same style. Can we simply draw a conclusion that the ideas and attitudes of people at that time are rigid? Absolutely no. It is the society's(social) situations of that time that made the people cover their free minds with those clothes.(有些生硬了.个人建议,如果拿不准这种figurative的用法, 最好是不用.) And after the reform and open policy, people in China changed their outlooks in a short time, which reflected the strong aspiration of(to) freedom in their deep heart. In short, the environments surround the people play an important role in deciding people's outlooks. Therefore, in some circumstances, people's customs and actions can not reflect a society properly(能知道你的目的是呼应前面的ts.但是放在这里, 感觉和前句有点冲突…).

这段观点很鲜明, 例子也很好

What's more, other elements such as traditions and customs, economics and politics, and culture of a society which also reflect the society values and ideas cannot be ignored in analyzing it. Without the traditions and customs, it is hard for one to learn the old ideas and basic foundations of a society; without the economics and politics, it is not possible for one to draw out one society's(social) current values; without the culture, no matter it is traditional or contemporary, it is difficult for one to fabric a comprehensive system of a society's ideas. So all in all, in order to understand a society comprehensively, one needs to explore the society in more respects rather than only focus on the people’s appearances or actions.

这段观点超好的说…..

From what have been discussed above, we can make a conclusion that we can learn something about a society from people if we can exclude the influences of environments on them. In addition, we'd better to learn the society in a full respects for the totally(a total) and thoroughly(thorough) understanding.



整篇文章的思路和结构都很清晰
观点方面没什么问题..
不过用词有些生涩….
lost in summer time.

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本帖最后由 cycy881125 于 2010-2-1 22:30 编辑

written by AlanC

The speaker considers that the society’s thoughts and values could be represented by inspecting the people’s appearance and action which might express their feelings and interests. I strongly propose this point of view. However, it is too unilateral to illustrate the attitude of society completely. The costume and behavior could only represent a part of human’s mind.



I admittedly propose that in some circumstances, such the person’s behavior as the way they look could express their feelings and tastes. Since it is the window of human’s mind that the eyes have always been. Such feelings as anger, temper, and happiness might be reflected from the eyes for that human’s organs could interconnect each other, and they have been organized into a dynamic integration. And then eyes have play an important role in communicate with the outside world so that eyes have been thought as the second ‘mouth’ of human. Traditional Chinese medical science has been the most ancient medicine and the most efficacious method to cure disease. When diagnosing, the doctor has made a diagnosis by inspecting the patients’ eyes and such phanerous organs as tongues. it is obvious that these organs would show the human’s state of mind.



However, we should not evaluate the thoughts and values only by see the humans’ appearance and behavior. Since value is a relative ethic value which helps people make the decisions. And it is considered that the people’s motive and behavior have been dominated by the values and thoughts. So undoubtedly, the behaviors could show the superficial thoughts which people have always done; however, it is just one of the expression of mind, in order to explore humans’ inner mind, necessarily through communicating with them and reading their compositions, can one get a deeper research about the human’s value. Voltaire, a French Enlightenment writer and philosopher was known for his wit and his defense of civil liberties. Shall we comprehend his values and moral standard only by taking a glimpse of his look or expression? Only if we have a intensive research on his literature and the contribution which he has made during the French Revolution, we would make sense his values more integrated.



On the other hand, the value of society is a set of humans’ values and the representation of the ethic and moral standard in that period. It could be evaluated from all over the society life. Whether it has represented a good value or not would determine the trend of the development of society, reflect whether the community is prosperous or not. It is the dynamic integration of the human values. So for the purpose of inspecting the society value, we should not only study the famous few’ values, but also consider of all the aspects of the life of the humans, then integrate them into an compatible compound which could be a complete research on society value.




In sum, it is incomplete to evaluate the human value by only the expressions and behaviors, for an integrated analysis of value, human’s literature and career should be taken a consideration. By analyzing the human value combined with the inspection of human’s daily life, society value would be observed completely.


修改athena
The speaker holds the point of view that the way people look, dress and act reveals their personal attitudes and interests, and also the social idea can be expressed through the appearance and behavior of its people. This assertion can hold water to some extent, but it is too general and absolute. The society’s idea immerse into every aspect of people’s life, and it is so hidden that cannot be embodied correctly simply by the exterior appearance of people.
第一段观点很鲜明,但是我觉得,是不是还应该再做些同义词替换。
No one can be completely the same with another person on this planet. Everyone has his own habit and method of thinking, just as the saying goes:” 1000 readers may have 1000 different Hamlet in heart.” Therefore, the way they look, dress and act can embody their personal taste and specific design for life. For instance, when contact with artists, who are said to be particularly sensitive about life style, we can often find that their way of dressing and speaking are different from what ordinary people are accustomed to, and may hard for us to understand thoroughly. Sometimes, they are described as strange and queer or someone refer to them as fashion and trend. In fact, this is just their taste, the result of personal choices, which reveals their own attitudes and interests.
这一段你写的是人的个性—>个性外部特征à外部特征表现人们的态度。其中引用的那句评论很好的说明人类思想的个性,是有力的论证。
Another factor which will influence the way people dress is social customs. As human beings are the basic elements of society, and they are influenced continuously by each other and thus, shape the conception and value of the whole community, the appearance of them also demonstrates the society’s ideas. 我没有看出这个句话是论证什么观点的。Everyone who lives in the society is the carrier of the values of his own country. For instance, the color the wedding dress for bride in western countries is white, which is the symbol of purity and integrity, while in China, people prefers red as the lucky color in the wedding ceremony. The disparity of choice of color is the concrete example of how society’s idea decides people’s look and dress.
这一段你最后说了一句society’s idea decides people’s look and dress. 我就感觉是不是你想论证的是appearance –>society ‘s idea。但是从第一句话看,你想表达的可能是社会习俗能够影响穿着,从而表现出society’s value,但是这个是间接影响,最终还是通过衣着来表现得,所以说这段话还是表达衣着能够表现。如果是的话,你的主题倾向于表达价值观是通过各个方面综合来实现的,因此这段就写得有些不太贴切了。
There exists another possibility that the ways people dress neither connect with his personal interests nor embody specific social values. Many people don’t care about their appearances. For example, many scientists devote his all efforts and enthusiasm into his researches and do not have time to design what he will look like. Einstein is one of them. He wore worn clothes and didn’t cut his hair. No one can judge him as a leading authority in scientific realm simply from his appearance. Moreover, as the globalization becomes the main stream of today’s world, people from all over the world may just follow the same fashion. People in China no longer wear Han Fu, the traditional clothes dates back to Han Dynasty in China, and the daily clothes for Japanese women is no longer only kimono. People in every quarter of the earth may dress like the same. In this sense, the particularity of one nation disappears, and the assimilation of society begins to play the key role.
这一段写的是这回价值和个人兴趣与人们的穿着没有联系。这句话可能绝对了一些,可能是不是要换种说法呢。同时你可能需要在写例子以前再写点理由之类的,例子占了好大的篇幅。
不过不可否认,你的句子之间的衔接做的很不错,语言就运用挺娴熟,表达挺准确。
Based on the arguments above, we can safely draw the conclusion that no matter the target of our observation is a person, or a society, the exterior aspects is helpful but not sufficient to reflect the interior part. We need more study work by different measures as many as possible, to make a more comprehensive and profound judgment.
最后这一段总结,再一次表达了人们的外观作为判断价值观的条件并不充分,应该多方面综合起来才能决定价值观,呼应了首段。这段写的挺不错。


总的来说,你的思路很清晰,但是可能是第三段我没有完全理解的原因,在我看来那一段可能是一个小小的缺憾吧。

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本帖最后由 mikestone 于 2010-2-1 23:04 编辑

TOPIC: ISSUE208 - "The way people look, dress, and act reveals their attitudes and interests. You can tell much about a society's ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people."

My view to the statement is that in many cases the way people look, dress, and act reveals their attitudes and interests. Superficially, one can tell something about a society's ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people. However, to learn the ideas and values more deeply, we need to take other elements into consideration.

To begin with, we can learn the attitudes and interests of a person from the way he/she looks, dresses, and acts. There are many examples in our daily life. Jim becomes excited when hearing pop songs; this indicates that he is interested in music. Lucy often takes notes of daily news which implies that she is an earnest girl and interested in news. Likely, from our own experience and the observations of a person’s behavior and appearance, we can usually judge his/her interests and attitudes.

However, even the interests and attitudes of a person can be told through the way he/she looks, dresses and acts; we can only tell some superficial things about society’s ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people. There are several reasons. First, many hidden elements of a society, such as the customs and rules, cannot be seen just by observing the clothes and actions of its civilians. Second, from the behavior and appearance of its people, we can only have a partial impression to a society. For example, when visiting in a foreign country, we actually only visit some typical places, like famous universities. These places may give us wrong signals and information about the values and ideas of a society, because there are special rules in these environments. Third, things we tell are usually based on our own experience and knowledge. So we may make mistake if we don’t familiar with the criteria of a society. For instance, body distance varies from culture to culture. In some cultures, it is quite normal for people to stand close together. While Americans talk about invasion of their space. Therefore, we can only tell little about the values and ideas by observing the appearance and behavior of its people.

Moreover, to learn these ideas and values more deeply, we should consider other elements such as tradition, history, custom, culture, religion, modernization and so on. (这里不知道该怎么写了)

In sum, we can tell little about the ideas and values of a society by merely observing the appearance and behavior of its people. To learn more, we need to stay there long enough and feel the lives of local civilians.

这篇写得很吃力,可能是对于这类问题不熟悉的原因,谢谢楼下了。

Stone改AlanC的


The speaker considers that the society’s thoughts and values could be represented by inspecting(这个词的意思“视察,检查”) the people’s appearance and action which might express their feelings and interests. I strongly propose this point of view. However, it is too unilateral to illustrate the attitude of society completely. The costume and behavior could only represent a part of human’s mind.

I admittedly propose that in some circumstances, such the person’s behavior as the way they look could express their feelings and tastes.
(这里前后衔接的不是太好吧,前面给出了自己的论点,但是突然跳到了eyes上,其实后面的部分就是举了个例子,然后就这个例子进行分析)
Since it is the window of human’s mind that the eyes have always been. Such feelings as anger, temper, and happiness might be reflected from the eyes for that human’s organs could interconnect each other, and they have been organized into a dynamic integration. And then eyes have play an important role in communicate with the outside world so that eyes have been thought as the second ‘mouth’ of human. Traditional Chinese medical science has been the most ancient medicine and the most efficacious method to cure disease. When diagnosing, the doctor has made a diagnosis by inspecting the patients’ eyes and such phanerous organs as tongues. it is obvious that these organs would show the human’s state of mind (世界上对中医有争议,我感觉用这个中医的例子不是太好。).

However, we should not evaluate the thoughts and values only by seeing the humans’ appearance and behavior. Since value is a relative ethic value which helps people make the decisions. And it is considered that the people’s motivation and behavior have been dominated by the values and thoughts. So undoubtedly, the behaviors could show the superficial thoughts which people have always done(
这几句是一个因果关系的句子,因果分开了不合适吧); however, it is just one aspect of the expression of mind, in order to explore humans’ inner mind, necessarily through communicating with them and reading their compositions, can one get a deeper research about the human’s value. Voltaire, a French Enlightenment writer and philosopher was known for his wit and his defense of civil liberties. Shall we comprehend his values and moral standard only by taking a glimpse of his look or expression? Only if we have a intensive research on his literature and the contribution which he has made during the French Revolution, we would make sense his values more integrated.

(这两段都集中在了本题第一句的讨论上了,占了大部分的篇幅。我写这篇的时候也遇到了类似的问题,后来我删了又着重于第二句写了一段。)

On the other hand, the value of society is a set of humans’ values and the representation of the ethic and moral standard in that period. It could be evaluated from all over the social life. Whether it has represented a good value or not would determine the trend of the development of a society, reflect whether the community is prosperous or not. It is the dynamic integration of the human values. So for the purpose of inspecting the society value, we should not only study the famous few’ values, but also consider of all the aspects of the life of the humans, then integrate them into an compatible compound which could be a complete research on society value.


(这一段处理的比较草率了,关键是没有有说服力的例子,基本上都是在说理。)

In sum, it is incomplete to evaluate the human value by only the expressions and behaviors, for an integrated analysis of value, human’s literature and career should be taken a consideration. By analyzing the human value combined with the inspection of human’s daily life, society value would be observed completely.


总结:整篇文章的大的论点是比较清晰的,每段中一些处理不当的地方我已经说明了。词汇方面建议尽量先自己想,等写完修改的时候再查。

这篇文章对于我来说感觉很难,很多细节的问题我还是很糊涂的,希望在群里面好好讨论下。
祝各位顺利飞跃!

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本帖最后由 yeshen2010 于 2010-2-1 23:10 编辑

I208: The way people look, dress, and act reveals their attitudes and interests. You can tell much about a society’s ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people.
提纲:
一、提出观点:部分同意作者的观点。
二、外表和行为反映了一种精神面貌,可以在一定程度上反映社会的思想和价值观。例子:中国改革开放前后的对比:衣:以前只有四种颜色的衣服,现在各式各样的颜色都有——体现一种开放的姿态;食:以前吃精面粉,现在吃粗粮——体现对健康的追求;行:以前步行,现在飞机——体现节约时间的观念。
三、社会的思想和价值观是抽象的,很难人们的通过外表和行为观测出来。如道家“无为而治”的思想。
四、有些人的行为虽然是从自身需要出发,但是却与社会的价值观背道而驰。如果以他们的行为代表整个社会的思想,则会误解这个社会。例子:抢劫、贪污。
五、总结。

The speaker claims that one can understand a society's ideas and values via observing the appearance and behavior of its people. I concur with this assertion to some extend due to the way people look, dress, and act can reflect their attitudes and interests sometimes. My view will be substantiated by the following discussion.

Indeed, people's appearance and behavior can show a spirit of a society which reflects thoughts and values of a society. Compared the clothing, food, and transportation before Reform with that after Reform in China, we can interpret the point. Before Reform, people's clothes only have four kinds of colors: black, white, gray and yellow. When one walks along a street, he or she perhaps feels too monotonous of people's wearing, and people have no facial expression. Nowadays when one takes a walk in a city, he or she can see people's dress is various one from another, and people smile a lot. The difference reflects the change of an attitude of people which is more opening after Reform. Before Reform, people like to eat refined power, and used coarse to feed pigs. But now, people prefer coarse to refined power because coarse is much healthier which people pay more attention to. Before Reform, in order to save money, people chose to walk from Tian Jin, a big city in China, to Bei Jin, the capital of China. But now, in order to save time, many people take air plane to go back and forth between the two cities. Because time is much more important in modern people's mind. Hence, in these cases, we can tell much about a society's ideas and values by people's look and behavior.

However, a society's ideas and values are always abstract which cannot be reflected sufficiently by people's appearance and behavior. Its ideas and values usually influence people imperceptibly. Daoism, one kind of values in China, advocates that the method of managing a country is doing nothing which is hard to understand literally. Emperor Jing of Han, a great emperor of Han Dynasty in China, used this idea to take in charge of the nation, and made huge progress like the economic recoveried, people lived happy life. But through people's appearance and action, we can hardly find out anything of this kind of idea.

Moreover, some people's behavior violate a society's values, such as robbery, corruption. If one use their activities to represent a society's values, then he or she will misunderstand the society.

To sum up, although people's appearance and behavior can show a spirit of a society in some cases, they cannot totally represent a society's ideas and values. Only examing them case-by-case baises, we can understand a society's ideas and values.


小结:
限时写了一下,感觉三、四段没时间展开来说。求狠拍!

修改Stone的

TOPIC: ISSUE208 - "The way people look, dress, and act reveals their attitudes and interests. You can tell much about a society's ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people."
My view to the statement is that in many cases the way people look, dress, and act reveals their attitudes and interests. Superficially, one can tell something about a society's ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people. However, to learn the ideas and values more deeply, we need to take other elements into consideration.

第一段:提出自己的观点。Superficially这个词用得挺好的,学习了。
To begin with, we can learn the attitudes and interests of a person from the way he/she(这里最好写成he or she looks, dresses, and acts. There are many examples in our daily life. Jim becomes excited when hearing pop songs; this indicates that he is interested in music. Lucy often takes notes of daily news which implies that she is an earnest girl and interested in news. Likely, from our own experience and the observations of a person’s behavior and appearance, we can usually judge his/her interests and attitudes.

第二段分论点是了解人们的态度和兴趣。这一段感觉不是很切题。
However, even the interests and attitudes of a person can be told through the way he/she looks, dresses and acts; we can only tell some superficial things about society’s ideas and values by observing the appearance and behavior of its people. There are several reasons.(这句话写在这里显得太八股了。) First, many hidden elements of a society, such as the customs and rules, cannot be seen just by observing the clothes and actions of its civilians.(这一点论证不充分)
Second, from the behavior and appearance of its people, we can only have a partial impression to a society. For example, when visiting in(删除) a foreign country, we actually only visit some typical places, like famous universities. These places may give us wrong signals and information about the values and ideas of a society, because there are special rules in these environments. (这里感觉也论证不充分,可以举例说明special rules有些什么内容)Third, things we tell are usually based on our own experience and knowledge. So we may make mistake if we don’t familiar with the criteria of a society. For instance, body distance varies from culture to culture. In some cultures, it is quite normal for people to stand close together. While Americans talk about invasion of their space. Therefore, we can only tell little about the values and ideas by observing the appearance and behavior of its people.
第三段分论点:即使人们的兴趣和爱好可以通过相貌、穿着和行为反应出来,我们只能从表面了解社会的思想和价值观。例子:参观某个国家、body distance


Moreover, to learn these ideas and values more deeply, we should consider other elements such as tradition, history, custom, culture, religion, modernization and so on. (这里不知道该怎么写了)
这里再讲tradition, custom, culture,感觉会和上面那一点的部分内容重复。比如上面那一点中讲到的第三小点。可以试试换个角度或思路。


In sum, we can tell little about the ideas and values of a society by merely observing the appearance and behavior of its people. To learn more, we need to stay there long enough and feel the lives of local civilians.

小结:
1.思路不够清晰。建议思路框架要加强练习
2.论证不够充分。
3.写法不够规范,如he/she,我看ETS寄来的范文好像没有这样写的,一般都是he or she
4.有些词用得挺好的。

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