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ISSUE 56:
"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."

Does the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, as the speaker contends, rather than their contemporaries? I concede that to some extent the speaker overstates the significance of comments from those who live in later times. On balance, however, I fundamentally agree with the speaker, for the reason of being more objective and leaving enough time for demonstration.

Under certain situations, contemporaries can give appropriate commentary to others, for they were in the same concrete environment. To decide the greatness of individuals, certain criteria which include the specific social circumstances and unique social sense of worth are needed. And only those who live in the same historical period share the same criteria. Take Yue Fei, a famous general in Song Dynasty of China, for instance. His braveness of resisting foreign intruders is appreciated by Chinese people for a thousands of years until recently, when someone points out that it is not praiseworthy but reprehensible for Yue Fei to prevent China from a broader national unification, for the foreign intruders denoted at that time were just another ethnic group of China. Nevertheless, the current criteria are not applicable to evaluate the accomplishment of an historical hero at that time when social situation was quite different from now. Therefore, under specific history, the greatness of individual can only be determined by their contemporaries.

Under other situations, however, it is much more reliable for people live in a later time to decide the greatness of former individuals. The essential advantage is that later generations own a more generalized view that successfully avoids the weakness of contemporaries being not objective. People in different interest groups tend to hold different views towards the greatness of individuals for they are tempting to maintain their own profits. Thus, they are not assessing individuals in an objective way. One apt illustration of this point involves the evaluation of artworks. Vincent van gogh, one of the greatest artist in the world, was not a well-known artist until his death.  His pieces which contain great passion, grief, compassion and hope were only appreciated and valued by the later generations, whereas the art critics in his time who were in different styles just treat them as garbage of an insane person. This holds to almost every other fields of our society. Only later generations who have no conflicts of interest can objectively determine the greatness of individuals.

Under still other situations, the greatness of individuals cannot be identified for their theories are ahead of the conditions at that time. Only with the development of the public ability of recognition can the facts eventually prove those theories and the individuals' achievements can be accepted. Many examples from the fields of science serve to illustrate this point. Most of us heard of the story that Galileo dropped balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. The theory was contrary to the mainstream view that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. People in that time felt hard to accept Galileo's theory until the later physical scientists using different methods and taking thousands of experiments proved it was true and Galileo's contribution to the world of physics is appreciated. Not only in the fields of science but also in other fields of science that the validity of a theory and the greatness of individuals can be recognized only by the later generations.

To sum up, lacking of sufficient objectivity and the fact that the process of testing truth needs time determines that contemporaries are not the best choice to decide the greatness of individuals. Later generations, who can use more objective criteria and own enough conditions to test truth, are more likely to realize the greatness of individuals.

fancywwUID: 2583671

"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."

Does the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, as the speaker contends, rather than their contemporaries? I concede that to some extent the speaker overstates the significance of comments from those who live in later times. On balance, however, I fundamentally agree with the speaker, for the reason of being more objective and leaving enough time for demonstration.
开头中规中矩，拿出观点是：有保留的赞同。

Under certain situations, contemporaries can give appropriate commentary to others, for they were in the same concrete environment. To decide the greatness of individuals, certain criteria which include the specific social circumstances and unique social sense of worth are needed. And only those who live in the same historical period share the same criteria. Take Yue Fei, a famous general in Song Dynasty of China, for instance. His braveness of resisting foreign intruders is appreciated by Chinese people for a thousands of years until recently, when someone points out that it is not praiseworthy but reprehensible for Yue Fei to prevent China from a broader national unification, for the foreign intruders denoted at that time were just another ethnic group of China. Nevertheless, the current criteria are not applicable to evaluate the accomplishment of an historical hero at that time when social situation was quite different from now. Therefore, under specific history, the greatness of individual can only be determined by their contemporaries.
首尾句的意思不一样。首句说“同时代的人能够给予恰当的评价”；结尾说“个人的成就只能由当时的人决定”。首句没有“only”的限定。其实首句是更为合理的，要论述尾句中的“only”要花很大功夫，Yue Fei 这个例子也就不太合适了。因为即使我们现在知道岳飞抵抗的不是外来侵略者，但人们一样认为岳飞是大英雄。我觉得这个应该举一个个人成就在同时代就被承认了的例子，比如近一点的Bill Gates,以及其他Nobel Prize winners。

Under other situations, however, it is much more reliable for people live in a later time to decide the greatness of former individuals. The essential advantage is that later generations own a more generalized view that successfully avoids the weakness of contemporaries's being not objective.(这个长句其实可以拆成两句吧) People in different interest groups tend to hold different views towards the greatness of individuals for they are tempting to maintain their own profits. Thus, they are not assessing individuals in an objective way. One apt illustration of this point involves the evaluation of artworks. Vincent van gogh, one of the greatest artist in the world, was not a well-known artist until his death.  His pieces which contain great passion, grief, compassion and hope were only appreciated and valued by the later generations, whereas the art critics in his time who were in different styles just treat them as garbage of an insane person. This holds to almost every other fields of our society. Only later generations who have no conflicts of interest can objectively determine the greatness of individuals.
梵高的例子其实和“People in different interest groups tend to hold different views towards the greatness of individuals for they are tempting to maintain their own profits”这句不太搭，不应该是利益上的问题，而是the works of Van Gogh went beyond the recognizance of anverage people and critics. 简而言之就是当时的人们还无法理解这些great thinkers 或 artists的思想。

Under still other situations, the greatness of individuals cannot be identified for（可以换一种因果表达方式了） their theories are ahead of the conditions of social development at that time. Only with the development of the public ability of recognition can the facts eventually prove those theories and the individuals' achievements can be accepted. (这句话细读有点矛盾，只有随着公众认知能力的发展，事实才能最终证明那些理论，那么公众认知能力和事实之间是什么关系呢，公众认知能力和最终被证明的理论之间又有何关系呢？到底是认知能力发展了，还是事实逐渐浮出水面了呢？)Many examples from the fields of science serve to illustrate this point. Most of us heard of the story that Galileo dropped balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. The theory was contrary to the mainstream view that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. People in that time felt hard to accept Galileo's theory until the later physical scientists, using different methods and taking thousands of experiments, proved it was true and Galileo's contribution to the world of physics is finally appreciated. Not only in the fields of science but also in other fields of science(写错了吧) that the validity of a theory and the greatness of individuals can be recognized only by the later generations.
这里显然太绝对了，我们现在不仍有很多获得诺贝尔奖的科学家吗？

To sum up, lacking of sufficient objectivity and the fact that the process of testing truth needs time determines that contemporaries are not the best choice to decide the greatness of individuals. Later generations, who can use more objective criteria and own enough conditions to test truth, are more likely to realize the greatness of individuals.


第一段让步，说部分情况同时代的人能够决定。但是这个certain situation没有说明确；
第二段反驳，说同时代的人由于利益上的冲突会不够公正。但梵高的例子不够好。
第三段反驳，说由于一些科学理论太超前了，当时还无法被认可，（或许是因为人们的认知有限，或许是事实证据还不够充分——但这两点都没写清楚

我从这篇文章中看出的是作者的思路还不够清楚，有些地方有点太绝对了。其实有时候比较混乱何不直接采用case-by-case study呢。直接说有的在同时代被认可了，有的只有被后来人认可。这不是骑墙，而是事实就是这样。在古代和现代都是既有死后出名，也有还在世就出名了的人，所以要理清楚的确很麻烦。不过前面用两段各承认这样的情况，最后一段可以说一个必然的趋势，那就是越来越多的人的成就能够在当代就被认同了。毕竟以前people were poorly educated，现在的people can infer the greatness of some persons with references and knowledge，然后举几个依靠比较生僻的技术或理论获诺贝尔奖的人，比如Dirac、Lamb等。

fancywwUID: 2583671

给看完了，感觉虽然写的多，但没有之前那篇写distinctive species的好。

after17UID: 2681985

Does the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, as the speaker contends, rather than their contemporaries? I concede that to some extent the speaker overstates the significance of comments from those who live in later times. On balance, however, I fundamentally agree with the speaker, for the reason of being more objective and leaving enough time for demonstration.让步式的开头，写的很不错。

Under certain situations, contemporaries can give appropriate commentary to others, for they were in the same concrete environment. To decide the greatness of individuals, certain criteria which include the specific social circumstances and unique social sense of worth are needed. And only those who live in the same historical period share the same criteria这句话有点绝对. Take Yue Fei, a famous general in Song Dynasty of China, for instance. His braveness of resisting foreign intruders is appreciated by Chinese people for a thousands of years until recently, when someone points out that it is not praiseworthy but for Yue Fei to prevent China from a broader national unification, for the foreign intruders denoted at that time were just another ethnic group of China. Nevertheless, the current criteria are not applicable to evaluate the accomplishment of an historical hero at that time when social situation was quite different from now. Therefore, under specific history, the greatness of individual can only be determined by their contemporaries.这个例子有点不合适吧，难道说现在全国人民都觉得岳飞阻止了中国更加强大。照这样说日本侵华中国也不该抵抗咯。（额，个人意见个人意见。老外应该不懂中国历史吧）

Under other situations, however, it is much more reliable for people live in a later time to decide the greatness of former individuals. The essential advantage is that later generations own a more generalized view that successfully avoids the weakness of contemporaries being not objective 这个表达有点怪. People in different interest groups tend to hold different views towards the greatness of individuals for they are tempting to maintain their own profits. Thus, they are not assessing individuals in an objective way. One apt illustration of this point involves the evaluation of artworks. Vincent van gogh, one of the greatest artist in the world, was not a well-known artist until his death.  His pieces which contain great passion, grief, compassion and hope were only appreciated and valued by the later generations, whereas the art critics in his time who(去掉) were in different styles just treat them as garbage of an insane person. This holds to almost every other fields of our society. Only later generations who have no conflicts of interest can objectively determine the greatness of individuals.这一段的观点很好，说的是当代人有利益冲突时，评判便不客观
但是梵高的例子能说明利益冲突吗？

Under still other situations, 可以换一个词么？囧~ the greatness of individuals cannot be identified for their theories are ahead of the conditions at that time. Only with the development of the public ability of recognition can the facts eventually prove those theories and the individuals' achievements can be accepted. Many examples from the fields of science serve to illustrate this point. Most of us heard of the story that Galileo dropped balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. The theory was contrary to the mainstream view that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. People in that time felt hard to accept Galileo's theory until the later physical scientists using different methods and taking thousands of experiments proved it was true and Galileo's contribution to the world of physics is appreciated. Not only in the fields of science but also in other fields of science that the validity of a theory and the greatness of individuals can be recognized only by the later generations. 论述很充分。例子也很好

To sum up, lacking of sufficient objectivity and the fact that the process of testing truth needs time determines that contemporaries are not the best choice to decide the greatness of individuals. Later generations, who can use more objective criteria and own enough conditions to test truth, are more likely to realize the greatness of individuals.

整体来说写的挺好的。有些句子仔细读一下还是有点问题。不过我语言也不好
中间第二段梵高的例子不太适合。应该换个更有代表性的。这个我也想不出来~

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爱上千年的猫UID: 2476232

Under still other situations, 可以换一个词么？囧~after17 发表于 2010-2-8 11:11

这个是看范文里用到的句型。。。嘿嘿。。。谢谢楼主指教，我也帮您去看看

爱上千年的猫UID: 2476232

2# fancyww
嗯，楼主说的很对，当时写这篇的时候思路一直不连贯，总是想不出合适的例子，也因此超时了很多~~

tszxl1989UID: 2744153

ISSUE 56:
"The greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, not by their contemporaries."
Does（Can） the greatness of individuals can be decided only by those who live after them, as the speaker contends, rather than their contemporaries?（第一句话问句很好，用一个rather than综述了一下） I concede that to some extent the speaker overstates the significance of comments from those who live in later times. On balance, however, I fundamentally agree with the speaker, for the reason of (少成分吧)being more objective and leaving enough time for demonstration.
第一段很沉稳，但是我感觉也较不容易出彩，既然4月份考试，何不尝一下其它的开头方式，比如说：背景开头法？

Under certain situations, contemporaries can give appropriate commentary to others, for they were（are） in the same concrete environment. To decide the greatness of individuals, certain criteria which include (depend on) the specific social circumstances and unique social sense of worth are needed. And only those who live in the same historical period share the same criteria. Take Yue Fei, a famous general in Song Dynasty of China, for instance. His braveness of resisting foreign intruders is appreciated by Chinese people for a thousands of years until recently, when someone points out that it is not praiseworthy but reprehensible for Yue Fei to prevent China from a broader national unification, for the foreign intruders denoted at that time were just another ethnic group of China. (这话句我感觉还不如分成两句话再说，我有时候也容易把句子写成，但是这不一定是好事情，https://bbs.gter.net/thread-783960-1-1.html 看
这个帖子吧，我看完就开始觉得有时候我们将本来就很好的短句子刻意的拉长了，提出建议，与共勉)Nevertheless, the current criteria are not applicable to evaluate the accomplishment of an historical hero at that time when social situation was quite different from now. Therefore, under specific history, the greatness of individual can only be determined by their contemporaries.
这个例子比较牵强，首先是中国的例子，外国人估计没听过，所以没有权威性；还是就是那个认为YUE　ＦＥＩ是妨碍国家统一的说法，也是非主流的认为。

Under other situations, however, it is much more reliable for people （who）live in a later time to decide the greatness of former individuals. The essential advantage is that later generations own a more generalized view that successfully avoids the weakness of contemporaries (for not)being not objective. People in different interest groups tend to hold different views towards the greatness of individuals for they are tempting to maintain their own profits. Thus, they are not assessing individuals in an objective way.(我感觉这句话可以删去了，与前面有重复) One apt illustration of this point involves the evaluation of artworks. Vincent van gogh, one of the greatest artist in the world, was not a well-known artist until his death.  His pieces， （加个逗号更清晰）which contain great passion, grief, compassion and hope， were only appreciated and valued by the later generations, whereas the art critics in his time who were in different styles just treat them as garbage of an insane person. This holds to almost every other fields of our society. Only later generations who have no conflicts of interest can objectively determine the greatness of individuals.
最后一句话一定要加上限制条件：under certain situations,要不最后一句就在全体情况下都成立了，就与第二段相矛盾了。
Under still other situations, the greatness of individuals cannot be identified for their theories are ahead of the conditions at that time（ahead of time 就好吧）. Only with the development of the public ability of recognition can the facts，that eventually prove those theories and the individuals' achievements,(我感觉前后加以逗号后结构就明显清楚了很多) can be accepted. Many examples from the fields of science serve to illustrate this point. Most of us heard of the story that Galileo dropped balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. The theory was contrary to the mainstream view that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. People in that time felt hard to accept Galileo's theory until the later physical scientists，by using different methods and taking thousands of experiments, proved that it was true and Galileo's contribution to the world of physics is appreciated. Not only in the fields of science but also in other fields of science that(where) the validity of a theory and the greatness of individuals can be recognized only by the later generations.
-++的论述结构，很好
To sum up, lacking of sufficient objectivity and the fact that the process of testing truth needs time determines that contemporaries are not the best choice to decide the greatness of individuals. （感觉不太对称，是不是可以改成：lacking of sufficient objectivity and ignoring the fact, that the process of testing truth needs time, determines that contemporaries are not the best choice to decide the greatness of individuals.）Later generations, who can use more objective criteria and own enough conditions to test truth, are more likely to realize the greatness of individuals.

总体来说，很不错~继续努力哈~

tszxl1989UID: 2744153

我最近也写了一篇一样题目的，有时间看下吧~https://bbs.gter.net/thread-1059179-1-1.html

爱上千年的猫UID: 2476232

嗯，我决定把YUE FEI那个例子换掉，再按照大家的建议修改一下本篇~~
楼上的TX，我帮你看过了~