急！可怜新手小妹，想申请美国生物留学，大家多帮忙啊！

sacredno1UID：208290

我不觉得Curiosity and hardworking make a scientist，方向要选对，方向错了，再怎么curious再怎么hardworking也没用，退一万步说，即使你成了scientist又如何，什么都没有，买不起房，像个nerd一样，又如何呢？当然，对有的人来说，这无所谓，反正做research也很快乐，也不care那些物质的东西，那就是another story了，对大部分来说，这些物质的东西还是还挺重要的吧，人毕竟要活着吧，而且要舒服点活着吧

节俭的D同学UID：2625249

我仍然不解众多版主对做基础科研为何如此深恶痛绝。难道学生物一定要去med或者pharm才有出路么。我知道不是每个人都有做科研的天赋和才能，但是我很同意我老板说的一句话，Curiosity and hardworking make a scienti ...
rvn_xy 发表于 2010-4-22 09:01

我不会深恶痛绝，我很同意一些人的确enjoy在做这些事情上，尤其是见过几个华人女教授在生物上的废寝忘食跟研究成就，我是钦佩的。
我希望的是，大家在对现实有深入了解的情况下，衡量自己的兴趣跟毅力，觉得这是值得自己全身心投入进去，而且不会厌倦不会后悔的，那就去吧
我们都支持你

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76# sacredno1
那么按这个对的方向又是由谁来定呢。照版主的说法，那些冷门专业难道就会一直冷门下去，因为根本就不应该有人去研究，大多数的冷门正是因为没人愿意研究才是冷门。至于买不买得起房子赚多少钱的确重要，但是 毕竟在实验室这两年我还是见了不少走出来的，其中的艰辛我无从得知，但是至少可以说明这条路并不是死胡同。其实我庆幸有太多的人在我做决定的时候进行劝退，告诉我选择其他的，从而才让我明白什么是我想要的。路不亲自走是永远不会体会尽头的风景不是么。

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77# 节俭的D同学
谢谢版主，我很明白泼冷水的重要性，因为我就是不断被泼了之后才坚定自己的决心。

H1BMatch2012UID：2790388

You can move on as words will not change one's mind unless he has similar experiences.
But one thing I am sure, you will have some really tough life later.
If you can survive all those things, and you have good luck, maybe you can get tenure and happy and not bad future. If you really like it, you will feel happy however hard the life is.

But to be objective, Biology is not a good career choice for the following at least 10 to 20 years, as harder work, higher education, but less chance and money. So, it is a right suggestion to not enter this field unless you really love it.

A example as myself, I do not hate my work, and actually auite interesting in my research field, but not that much to be ready to dedicate all my life into it. Ans as I am someone does not ask for too much for myself, be a PhD with stipend is good enough, and be a thousand year Pot-Doc might fullfill my own needs already. Then, if the boss is not 2 push, it will be OK for me to stay in my research, and I know it will be almost impossible for me to be get an AP position in 5 or 10 years.

However, after get married and the birth of my baby. Everything changed. I do not ask a lot, neither my wife. But I have to take the responsibility to give them the best life I can make. Then a thousand year Post-Doc is no longer a good choice, as not stable life. From a classic dialogue  in Jim Carry's "Fun with Dick and jane", not house, the baby will not feel secured, then no confidence, and then no girl friend.

It is funny, and it is true. That's why I choose this so tough, the toughest way to success in the world, i am working on now. Even if i do not do this, i will need to change my career to some more stable one, with better pay and more life with the family.

If you have seen "Click", you will know the word "Family first". Someday you will have to face this problem, how to give your family, especially your baby better future if yourself is already struggleing?! Damn, living needs so much money, how do you make it?!

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80# H1BMatch2012
谢谢前辈。我其实很明白家人的重要性，虽然我现在还没结婚。只是我觉得要做到你说的，这个年头，不管是学什么的，其实都差不了多少。真正的好工作都是那几个，牛的人读什么都不会缺好工作，不牛的人读什么都没好工作。生物科研我觉得唯一的劣势就是到达好工作的路比较长，其中艰辛我们没去干过其他行业，道听途说我觉得不一定是正确的。其实就是一句话，做了牛人干什么都不愁，不是牛人干什么都愁。

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82# ohmygosh
据我在加拿大4年的所见所闻，学生物真的一大片，但是“以做科研为初衷“的其实之中的少数的少数。很多人都是为了上医学院/药学院/牙医才选择生物的，发现自己医学院无望了才选择科研。至少对我来说，科研最重要的还是个兴趣，如果动机不纯，是绝对没有好结果的，到了最后抱怨，怨恨当然很正常。

至于说生物冷门，我觉得是学生物的越来越少是肯定的（或者说抱着赚钱目的来学的人越来越少），但是这个领域的科研我看不到任何冷门的趋势。经济形势不好的确影响了科研经费的发放，但是人类健康的问题永远（或者至少50年内）都不会是冷门。做药的，行医的哪方面不需要科研做基础。现在有多少病人类连基本的病因和致病机理都不能完全了解。我知道有人会说，这么多年这么多天才都在研究都研究不出来，你凭什么觉得你和后人能够研究出来。但是现在科研的条件和设备都远胜以前，知识量和以前（就算是和一年前相比）也不是一个数量级的，所以我相信科研这条路，虽然艰苦，但绝对不是独木桥，会有更多的人走出来。只有前人走过了，后人的路才会越来越宽。

欢迎指正。

节俭的D同学UID：2625249

嗯，我觉得真的够牛到一个能轻松进一流医学院水平的人，为了兴趣放弃医学院而进入科研的，最后都不会悲剧。

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86# ohmygosh
其实...没想着去公司，读了PHD就去公司比较亏，那是一个technician的命。postdoc读完了我才会考虑当faculty做科研还是去公司当scientist做科研。还有至少我现在对国内还是抱有幻想的，10年之后，我估摸着不少生物医学行业应该开始真正起步了，那时候回去会不会是一个不错的契机呢？

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87# ohmygosh
在我的定义里，我说的生物是biomedical science。biological science还是算了吧，我承认那的确是很惨淡，运气不好的连经费都申请不上,科研就是有兴趣实在是没有银子作支持也是不行的。

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90# ohmygosh
有道理，其实我也清楚这个人际关系是比较麻烦的事情。现在暂时抱着幻想吧，毕竟家人都在国内，回国是一定要回的，只是要找好契机，以后会怎么样谁知道呢，把PHD和postdoc搞定先吧。

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92# ohmygosh
也祝版主usmle好运了。版主是去哪个学校呢？

H1BMatch2012UID：2790388

If you did excellent job, sure you can find a spot back home, but you can also find a spot in US, then it is no longer a problem. If you are on the half way, it wil be painful to go back home as you need to give up so many years hard work and restart. If you have just started, do not think about going back, unless you can no suvive the first 3 years.

Do not think that morden tech has given big improvment to Biomed research, that was more than 20 years before. You can try to find how many real big improvemnet in tech in the past 10 years. Most things we are doing is what people were doing for a long time. That's why PCR is such a great improvement. On the opposite, because of the well developed morden tech, there is very minial space to improve the tech in BioMed field. So, no people relies on hard work and hard work, and lots of money.

Yes, there are still enough funding now and then, but there are not that many faculty positions. The best time for biomed is not now but 10 to 20 years ago, when the BioMed funding has just increased and many U recruit professors. Just like Pharm, the golden days have already passed. If you can not figure it out, think about the car industry. After golden years, there will no no more huge changes for a long time. Right now, everything is kind of stable, I mean stable number of faculty spots.

So, work hard and good luck, there are chances, less than 20%, and most of them from top Med Schools. But yes, there are chances for us normal people, too. An AP from my U has just get tenure and Associuate P position, who's PhD was from PKUHSC. But most guys are like another new AP at my U, Chinese, US top med school PhD, top med school post-doc, top med school research associate professor, just got an AP sopt and working on pushing Chinese students and psot-docs for his tenure track. This is normal career track for PhD from top med U, and he is over 40 now.

Anything gona happen, if you work hard, someday you will find a spot, maybe not faculty (only 20%), but a old post-doc with Green card earns not bad either. The only problem is life not stable and old.

rvn_xyUID：2200129

恩，做科研努力是必须的。像RNAi这样的技术不也是十年前才开始进入人们的视野。我觉的技术进步还是次要的，主要是新的知识不断被认知。

sacredno1UID：208290

You can move on as words will not change one's mind unless he has similar experiences.
But one thing I am sure, you will have some really tough life later.
If you can survive all those things, and y ...
H1BMatch2012 发表于 2010-4-22 13:10

恩，是这个里，不能让老婆和孩子跟着一起受苦