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周一 12月6日
argument 211

The following appeared in a memorandum to faculty from the academic vice president of Waymarsh University.
'So that we can better accomplish Waymarsh University's academic goals, we should adopt the job-opportunity (job-op) program offered at Plateau Technical College and strongly encourage all students at Waymarsh to participate in it. The success of the job-op program at Plateau is evident: over the past two years, more than 75% of the freshmen at Plateau have enrolled in the optional job-op program. Moreover, at Plateau, the grades of job-op students are consistently higher than those of other students, 90% of the job-op students receive job offers within a month after their graduation, and most former job-op students report much success in their careers.'

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○1新生参加人数多不说明成功。参加的学生的成功率应与未参加学生的成功率相比，或成功的人之中有多少是参加课程的。
○2就业课程与学习成绩无关。参加的学生本身成绩就好。
○3样本差异。
○4P大学的学生成功可能是因为学校名气好或者其他的因素。

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1.the success of job op program in P is unconvincing. the arguer only offered the percentage of participants of freshmen, without considering the junior students, who are the main stream of job hunting.
2.it is entirely possible that students who did not participate in the program may receive job offers much ealier than the job op students and receive higher grades.
3.even though job op students did succeed in their job hunting, no evidence is provided that it is the program that led to the results. maybe the successful students in job hunting are much better than others in aspects such as 性格、合作能力等等
4.即使program在P有效，不一定在W有效，错误类比

zhangwanyingUID: 2775533

The following appeared in a memorandum to faculty from the academic vice president of Waymarsh University.
'So that we can better accomplish Waymarsh University's academic goals, we should adopt the job-opportunity (job-op) program offered at Plateau Technical College and strongly encourage all students at Waymarsh to participate in it. The success of the job-op program at Plateau is evident: over the past two years, more than 75% of the freshmen at Plateau have enrolled in the optional job-op program. Moreover, at Plateau, the grades of job-op students are consistently higher than those of other students, 90% of the job-op students receive job offers within a month after their graduation, and most former job-op students report much success in their careers.'

（1）75% 的学生参加了JO并不代表JO对accomplish the academic goals 有用处。作者提到参加JO program的同学的成绩高于那些没有参加的，从而得出结论：参加JO有助于提高学生的成绩，However，it may not be the case. 有可能这些参加JO的学生对学习本来就更加重视，而那些没有参加的学生可能整体上不如前者重视学习。通常来说，对就业和前途重视的同学通常也对学业更加重视。 从课程本身的角度来看in the program itself, JP 是针对找工作的，从内容和目的上都和学习成绩没有关系。

（2）作者没有对比那些参加了和没有参加JO的学生的情况，还有most太模糊，没有具体的比例。
（3）即使承认有效，两个学校的情况可能不一样。有可能学校的类型不一样，本校的专业更加热门，或者已经有相关的培训，就业已经足够好，没有必要引入JO；或者很多WU的学生Intended to 继续深造instead of seeking jobs。