（不删帖）update:17fall Econ master恳请定位！

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qwhrp94 发表于 2016-8-16 14:23
抱歉，不是。。。我本科是经基，数学课是我自己去找数学院加的（说多都是泪
至于数理类专业，我们级只 ...

really?
my suggestion,不要修实分析，数学课just marginal case。。。。。。我们学院的课很好，但是你现在想申请别修，如果你成绩好可以考虑保研，uwm活着duke本身竞争也会很激烈，不一定利于申请，自己衡量好自己的性格，competitive 就出去度master，机会还是好。。。。。
不要功利，不要功利，不要功利。。。。。
利益相关，财大老学长

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头顶上的天空 发表于 2016-8-16 14:33
really?
my suggestion,不要修实分析，数学课just marginal case。。。。。。我们学院的课很好， ...

感谢前辈的肺腑之言！对于master项目的建议真的很有启发！我会好好考虑的

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1. a very first question is: is UMichigan MAE suitable for this purpose? I doubt about this.

2. I dont think it is really necessary to have tons of maths at master level:
Firstly, I doubt if you can handle them well indeed (given you did better in applied math than pure math course in bachelor)
Secondly, a master is not really that long (even it is 2 year). It should be more important to get oneself to the frontier of research, and learn to ask the meaningful research question. Maths foundation is something should had finished in undergraduate.

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-8-16 17:49
1. a very first question is: is UMichigan MAE suitable for this purpose? I doubt about this.

2. I ...

Thank you for advice!  You make it more clear on how to improve my study. Iagree with you in both parts.
Here is the thing.
1. I understand Umich is not a very good choice for Phd in Econ, and it is difinately not the first choice for me. I apply for Umich because I want some schools to 保底 and I don't deny the possibility to study in sociology or political science. Umich is excellent in both fields.
2.I am in fact an art major in high school. I admit my undergraduate math scores are poor and everyone can doubt my ability to study pure math. It is really hard for me to follow professors in math school without good math foundation. Thank you for enlightening me the importance of undergraduate math, I am trying to compensate this in the last year.
Your advice for graduate study is also very helpful! I will try my best to learn from professors.

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qwhrp94 发表于 2016-8-16 18:28
Thank you for advice!  You make it more clear on how to improve my study. Iagree with you in both  ...

1. well.........sounds reasonable, but I wonder if UMich is a good choice for a safety school. I guess it is also not easy to be admitted into their MAE.

2. being art major in high school is a very reasonable reason for a not-that-good university maths score. However, the world is cruel: they only care if you handle it or not, and are not interested in the reason behind.

P.S. also take a look into:
PSE APE, X+HEC QEF, Tinbergen, Cambridge MPhil, Queens, Western and etc....

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-8-16 19:31
1. well.........sounds reasonable, but I wonder if UMich is a good choice for a safety school. I ...

Thank you for recommendation!
Actually, I have considered some European projects except the two in Spain. But my director, who graduated from European Univ strongly recommended me to go to the US. Because 1 Most European Universities have a tight financial constraint 2 For Econ PhD, those who graduate in the US find jobs more easily.

I always appreciate the ones who remind me the world is cruel.
In order  to over come my disadvantages in math, I am now 1 trying to have a higher GRE math score 2 Studying mathematical analysis on my own by using Real Analysis by Terence Tao and planning to study Real Analysis by Royden 3 studying measure based probability again if possible
If there is any advice in math study, please let me know. I haven't given up yet as an art major :)

Thank you again for help!

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qwhrp94 发表于 2016-8-16 20:35
Thank you for recommendation!
Actually, I have considered some European projects except the two ...

1. well........at the end, this question will turn out to be not US vs Europe, but which school you get admission. So I will suggest: just apply first, and then wait and see.

2. GRE Q score is useless. Since a near prefect Q score is expected, so a 170 wont put you into any advantage at all (but a lower score like 165 will put one into disadvantage). (GRE math sub is another story for sure)

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-8-16 20:49
1. well........at the end, this question will turn out to be not US vs Europe, but which school  ...

Thank you! I will have a try in Europe
For GRE math score, I am only trying to get 3 or 4 more points to 170, but will not spend too much time on it

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T3S 发表于 2016-8-16 22:33
－数学永远不嫌多，有时间就有多少学多少，上了PhD也是这个原则
－Real Analysis是所有高位Econ PhD潜规则默认的申请者必修课，这是AEA钦定的，不服你们去美国和他们战个痛
－除了刷GPA以外，Econ Major对于申Econ PhD并没有任何南琴梨用，没有Math Major的coursework你说个poi...
－美国和LSE都是烧钱项目，UBC这类加国的是倒贴钱项目233
－假如要申Econ PhD，切记不要读“Terminal (Masters) Degree”（＝非学术型硕士），不要读Math，Stats和Econ以外的任何专业，尤其不推荐搞Applied Econ，因此，对于以下项目，我认为：
@Duke 可以申，顺便Duke Masters中国人多到爆炸，竞争...
@UWM 新项目，但看简介可以申
@Turfts 没听过，但看简介可以申
@Boston 不建议申，这是Terminal Degree (假如项目没错的话，详见：https://www.bu.edu/academics/grs/programs/economics/ma/)
@Umich 不建议申，MAE基本全是Terminal（详见官网加粗字体：https://lsa.umich.edu/econ/mae.html）
@Columbia QMSS 我不懂SS是否对Econ PhD有帮助，因为Econ在SS里面算是最高冷的学科，但是官网说这是给申PhD打基础的，大概可以申？；另外你可以考虑Columbia的Econ MA，虽然我不知道这个Placement排位怎样（可申PhD，见最后一行：http://econ.columbia.edu/masters）
@ Vandy 不清楚，官网爆炸打不开orz
@Uchicago MACSS 不懂SS＋1
@CEMFI Econ and Fin @BGSE 欧洲的我真心一概不懂

－我过几天可能删这个，po主读过一遍了就行
我先滚去睡了233

some remarks for clarification:
1. terminal master =/= 非学术型硕士.
Terminal master = master that are stand alone and you are apply to it, i.e. every master we mentioned here.
Non-terminal master = master that are awarded during the progress toward PhD (most likely after passing QE)
replace it with professional/practical/applied econ master, and then this logic makes prefect sense (typical example of these type of master in US are: NYU, UMich, UCLA)

2. there is a econ concentration in columbia QMSS, and you will turn out have a degree 90% similar to a econ master at the end. the only concern is indeed: the competition of resources with other fellow students, and also MA Econ class (which placement is yet to see)

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cheesechan 发表于 2016-8-17 01:24
some remarks for clarification:
1. terminal master =/= 非学术型硕士.
Terminal master = master  ...

啊谢谢提醒，这个确实是我自己的误解

误解的原因主要是我看非学术的Masters全都会特地强调一句“This is a Terminal Degree”，而学术型Masters则一般会强调“This program is intended to prepare u for Econ PhD”这样的话。不过就像cheesechan说的一样，这些学术与非学术的Masters都是Terminal，例如UWM的Masters就是PhD跳板，并且说了“The Wisconsin Economics master's program offers a terminal graduate degree that prepares students for high-level professional careers in government and industry or further study for the Ph.D. degree.”

所以补充说明一下：
@BU Econ MA：官网介绍写了“The MA in Economics is a terminal master’s program that equips its graduates with the advanced knowledge and skills required for an economic analyst in the business world, the consulting industry, or a central bank...”但又写了“Some of them continue their quest for knowledge by pursuing their PhDs at places like Harvard, Chicago, and Princeton.” 所以这个似乎也不仅仅是给进入业界做准备的，看起来也可以做PhD跳板（然而我没翻到Placement）
@Vanderbilt GPED: 和名字一样，是着重于development的项目，看Placement情况似乎也还可以的样子（详见：http://as.vanderbilt.edu/gped/do ... cementMarch2015.pdf）


Columbia的QMSS我不熟悉，在cheesechan提醒之后我去网站上看了Econ Concentration的课程需求（http://qmss.columbia.edu/degree-requirements/#concentrations），里面看到了Micro，Macro和Metrics，而且还有四节经济选修课。所以看起来对OP也是一个不错的跳板。

（另外我直观上感觉应该是to have 或者having... 也可能是我错了233

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同一级数理的同学帮顶了，lz很棒啊经基出国读econ的应该不多吧（其实我们这届数理准备申经济的也很少）所以lz已经很出色了，建议lz还是申master不用申PhD了，master的项目就那么多，lz从Duke开始往后多申一些学校就没事儿。毕竟好像经基往届没有直接申到30名左右PhD的学生吧？主要是觉得现在申请一年比一年激烈，如果读了排名靠后的PhD找教职都很难，我想lz也知道我们学院现在从海外招老师都是招什么样的学校毕业的吧，所以如果坚持走学术路线还是先念个master。推荐信其实主要还是看老师们有没有connection，要不然海归非海归区别没有那么大，不过谢院长好像很少给本科生写推荐信的我记得。。。

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T3S 发表于 2016-8-16 21:52
po主你好～ 虽然我第一次来这论坛，但最近在补F/SN UBW看见你头像总感觉很亲切ww
我本科在是美国某名不见经 ...

好丰富的内容啊，超级无敌大感谢！

你说的一些内容让我很受启发，比如去要数院老师的推荐，比如提一下自己的TA经历。我下学期要去数院学数学分析，应该可以找老师要一封，TA我也有简单的做过一点，帮老师讲了几节课那种，也许可以在简历中提一下

GPA有一点比较麻烦，今天我发现有的学校是只要Overall GPA, 这样我就不得不把两个学位放在一起算，这样的话就只有3.5了。。不过我认为问题应该不大，因为成绩单还是分degree提供的

然后就是厚着脸皮把各种funding也凑在CV的Awards里了2333

至于优先stat/Math这一点我会比较特殊一点，原因有二：1 我高中是文科生，完成现在这样的本科数学已经费了九牛二虎之力，如果进入这样的专业可能完全无法与大神们竞争 2 我虽然申请经济学方向，但是我保留向政治系或者社会学系转的可能，我本科其实也修了几门政治学、社会学的课，比如政治哲学、社会性别、社会网络一类的，政治经济学相关的方向可能才是我的真正优势和兴趣所在。所以我可能会优先选交叉学科项目

关于各个项目，非常感谢这样每个学校都点出来的详细的建议！
你说的竞争激烈的问题我也有所了解，但这些硕士项目可能是我向Top项目跳的唯一机会，所以我的态度是尽人事，知天命吧！
Duke 的项目中，我打算申请两个，一个是econ，一个是MAPE，而且更倾向于MAPE，也是因为这个项目跟我的兴趣最契合
其他的项目都会当做Econ跳板来读，你提到的授课类型问题我会关注的，多谢提醒！

能在论坛里遇到无论是学术兴趣还是日常兴趣都很契合的小伙伴是种很奇妙的缘分呢！
再次感谢你的帮助！

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MC0122 发表于 2016-8-17 10:53
同一级数理的同学帮顶了，lz很棒啊经基出国读econ的应该不多吧（其实我们这届数理准备申经济的也很少）所以 ...

数理的同学泥嚎！你说的我基本都同意！
经基往届申到30名以前的PhD我了解到的只有一个人，而且是院长的推荐...
connection的问题应该是我校和其他同档的学校最大的短板了，but anyway，强推还是应该尽量争取的。数理系的廖老师指导了我们队的美赛，我真是森森感到了数理系老师的nice
下学期我看情况会去蹭一下数理的博弈论，说不定还能在课堂上见到哈哈~
感谢你的建议，也祝你好运！