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龙非UID: 193190

45分钟，现想现写，518个字，然后经过若干修改，主要是修正了语法错误和个别词语的使用，语句的调整。

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In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
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Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing but experience. Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line.

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience. Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance.

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries. In addition, a indomitable spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. If the scientist has not a indomitable spirit, which I means cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs  lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.

boyjimUID: 125249

占位置 ~~~

龙非UID: 193190

呃，沉得可真快。。。

xiongyicnUID: 192745

提两点:
1.第二个BODY例子不错,但是说理部分太无力了,可以深入一点;
2.第三个BODY谈professional knowledge的时候,可以顺带提一下beginners和experts在这个上面是没有差别的,这样可以回印自己定义的"expert" and "beginner",同时稍微严密那么一点.

我的文章最近越写越差,已经没有改的价值,都不往上贴了.呵呵
快考了,最近看题库了.祝大家都好运,也包括自己.

victoriazhizhiUID: 163135

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In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
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Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so?KICK！篇篇都这样开头阿！？算了，随你吧，你自己顺手就好To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing just nothing没见过but experience. Under the precondition, in my view, none of neither…northe beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line.这句后半截奇怪的说，没看明白，是要说谁的机会都不比对方多么？而且那个under the precondition后面的东西貌似不是你那个precondition推出来的，不是说有经验之分嘛，那为虾米还都一个起跑线捏

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain discover完才explain吧,这里和with experience的联系上有些别扭，怎么不说experience在make disvories的时候是虾米作用something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience. Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries.看，因为不能用经验解释，所以经验和make discovery的关系不大，顺不顺？没说明白这里For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance. N个discover-_-!    前面对experience为虾米在make important discoveries的时候影响不重要说的不清楚

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound 貌似sound修饰的不贴切professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, 病after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries.哼唧，你说知识重要，然后就说毕竟没有知识就不能有成就，不又是废话嘛，论出来如何重要了么？论出来如何新手和老姜们没有大区别了么？那老头头们都学富五车积累了一辈子了岂不是更丰富？ In addition, a indomitable spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. If the scientist has not a indomitable spirit, which I means cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries.同上句批改意见 For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs lots of difficulties.最后小半截是虾米用法？ Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.到最后才说到点上，可是只有很简略一句。你说没区别你就说没区别呀，这一段没看出来没区别的意思，只是在说影响因素，说吧还没说出来factor如何影响到发现和突破，刚说到一个因素，你就立马转移反着说要是没有XXX必然不能成功，这是废话啊，做科研的怎么可能没点知识没个坚持的精神？尤其是关于知识那点的分析，那义务！ :mad: 到最后才说了一句一个起跑线就完事儿了，没区别啊没区别，在哪里体现呢。举例的话建议两方面都举可以平衡些，也能说明点possibility没有大的差别

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus noneneither…nor of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.

今天批改语言比较猛，主要是看了你的照片，长的那么像刘德华，实在心怀嫉妒，就拿你的作文撒气了。 :o 鉴于你第一次限时成功，鼓励下。就不多罗索了。在说明两者在possiblity上没有谁优势多谁优势少上面不够成功，没看出来，为虾米两者的机遇就差不多呢？嗯？嗯？嗯？ :confused:

apolloxpUID: 156355

楼上的好凶狠啊:D
我占座先，看看有什么好补充的

龙非UID: 193190

to xiongyi:
谢谢你的两个好意见。此外，不要那么玉米，个人觉得作文还是要不时练练手的，我看你的第七篇居然是半个月前的，好像不是很妥。加油。。。自觉得差也可以自己改改，然后上来让大家拍，我就刚刚写了一篇人见人怕的文章，嘿嘿。。。

龙非UID: 193190

吱吱这篇要细看，待会再给意见。。
最近拍得我太凶了，嘿嘿。小心报复。。。

龙非UID: 193190

to 菠萝：
希望能看到你的意见,thanks in advance.（嘿嘿，奸笑中。。。，这样你总会留下只言片语吧，哈哈哈哈）

boyjimUID: 125249

Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer [dispute] this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination [这个词有歧视的意思哦！！！用discrepancy or dissimilarity比这个好] between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference [把上面送给你的两个词用一个在这里吧~] between these two is just nothing but experience. [这句我觉得可以写的漂亮点~但我也想不到怎么改] Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry [这句话好像有点中文思维哦~] and they are in the same scratch line. [这个应该是一个因果关系把due to they are in the same...]

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow [n] secret [用一个大一点的词mystery or enigma or conundrum or riddle] of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience. [你好象一直就把这个当成common sense 却没有解释哦] Therefore, experience is not a key [换词crucial/ pivotal/ vital...] factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience [你怎么知道人家没经验] , he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, [你间接的把经验归根成时间] he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of [去掉possibility of] making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has [前面有and 这里have] the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance. [老用importance哦~换significance]

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable [这个词很有中国feel阿~咔咔] spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge [你怎么把经验和专业知识分别开？] is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important [重复大忌阿！！！] discoveries. In addition, a indomitable spirit is also important to make important [我彻底晕菜两个important...把后面那个删了都好吧~] discoveries. As is [删掉] pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. [这句话可有可无] During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less [有一个短语beyond our wildest dream] . If the scientist has [own都比这个has好！] not a indomitable spirit, which I means [这句话可以简洁一点] cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important [等一下我统计一下这个词出现了多少次阿~] discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium [外国人是这么说的么？窃笑ing] , spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, [这里可以煽情点~多几个定语来修饰这个元素~让它显得无比珍贵，反衬出居里夫人的伟大!用precious吧] processing tons of material [沥青我也不会写嘿嘿~至少这里应该是raw material吧] and [这里用but会好些] refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs [这个词我要学习，但是这个短句的存在性没什么必要] lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable [舒缓了一口气，终于换词了~] spirit [，] it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary [这里用fundamental吧~primary factor是准数因子的意思] factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again [这个词用得不好~换一个因果新副词] , the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line. [你说居里夫人有恒心，这个正确，但是你没有说明白居里夫人有没有经验阿？有没有专业知识阿？除非你能说明这个，论据不能否定经验]

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.
[好的不说了~ 好几个词我要查金山~ 但是这个important实在是太刺眼了，其次就是你的论据，你怎么把专业知识和经验区别开，爱因斯坦的例子你想当然的把岁月导致经验，岁月也能够导致专业知识阿，论证的有点模糊，这里面假如你不提经验还好，提了反而让你说不清楚了，另外居里夫人是为了说明恒心重要性，如何引导到同一起跑线上面呢？]

apolloxpUID: 156355

45分钟，现想现写，518个字，然后经过若干修改，主要是修正了语法错误和个别词语的使用，语句的调整。

－－题目－－
In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
－－正文－－
Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so? To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing but experience.nothing but本来就有只的意思，不用just Under the precondition, in my view, none of the beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line.

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience.这句显得较为groundless，突然冒出来的一个观点 Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries. For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize.呵呵，好像你搞错了。光电效应与狭义相对论是1905年发表的，广义相对论1917年 Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance.结尾总结得还不错

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit.主题句还是最好用陈述句表达 First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries. In addition, aan indomitable spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. If the scientist has not a indomitable spirit, which I means cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries. For instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs lots of difficulties. Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium.例子与说理结合得不好 Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.这段比较混乱，应该好好理清思路

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus none of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.
与上面相同的看法就不再复述了

xiongyicnUID: 192745

呵呵,谢谢龙非的鼓励.其实我现在每天都在写,只是没有往上贴了,好吧,5分钟前PTT里模考了一篇,时间还算刚好,不过后来贴到WORL改了一下拼写错误(呵呵,不是太多),贴上来吧,有空就拍拍.!!

https://bbs.gter.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=256059

龙非UID: 193190

to 吱吱

－－题目－－
In any field of inquiry, the beginner is more likely than the expert to make important discoveries.
－－正文－－
Is the beginner more likely than the expert to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry as the speaker claims so?KICK！我闪，都说了语言不行，我就费事去琢磨这个问题，又不要求6分，把时间空出来写正文好过，如果考试的时候剩下大把的时间再说吧，白日做梦。。。篇篇都这样开头阿！？算了，随你吧，你自己顺手就好To answer this question, we should clarify what is the discrimination between the beginner and the expert? I believe that the difference between these two is just nothing just nothing没见过but experience. Under the precondition, in my view, none of neither…northe beginner and the expert has a greater possibility of discovering something of importance than the other in any field of inquiry and they are in the same scratch line.这句后半截奇怪的说，没看明白，是要说谁的机会都不比对方多么？是而且那个under the precondition后面的东西貌似不是你那个precondition推出来的，不是说有经验之分嘛，那为虾米还都一个起跑线捏前提不需要推出什么东西吧，我意思就是限定新手专家的区别仅仅是经验，在这个前提下，他们谁的机会都不比对方大

To begin with, experience, the only difference between the beginner and the expert, plays a minor part in making important scientific discoveries. As we know, science is a realm to disclose the unknow secret of the world. Deducing from common sense, we could hardly explain discover完才explain吧,这里和with experience的联系上有些别扭，怎么不说experience在make disvories的时候是虾米作用 什么是发现？to obtain knowledge of for the first time，也就是说在研究的过程中需要去解释一些东东从而做出了一些发现，比如相对论就是对一些经典物理学无法解释的东西做出自己的看法，而不是说要discover完了才解释，你觉得呢？something of no precedence, such as scientific discoveries, with our experience. Therefore, experience is not a key factor to scientific discoveries.看，因为不能用经验解释，所以经验和make discovery的关系不大，顺不顺？没说明白这里意见已在上面给出，make discovery就是要解释一些东西，不能用经验解释，意味着经验没太大用处。写完觉得要区分一下理论科学和实验科学来说会更好，实验科学应该不是仅仅解释一些东西，而是发现一些现象并对这些现象进行解释For supporting examples we need look no further than Einstein, who discovered many important secrets of physics. In Einstein's twenties, as a beginner of physics with little experience, he discovered the Relative Theory which shocked the whole physics academia . Twelve years after, when Einstein was already an expert in physics, he discovered the Photoelectric Effect for which he won the Novel Prize. Whether Einstein was a beginner or an expert, he made important discoveries. From Einstein, we can see that experience is not a key factor to the possibility of making discoveries. Therefore, the beginner and the expert has the coequal opportunity to discover something of importance. N个discover-_-! 前面对experience为虾米在make important discoveries的时候影响不重要说的不清楚语言咋就这么弱捏，一根筋死到底，我来想想办法。

Moreover, since the key factor is not experience, what is it on earth? I think that it is sound 貌似sound修饰的不贴切 何以不贴切？？扎实的专业知识professional knowledge and a indomitable spirit. First, that sound professional knowledge is an essential is easy to be understood, 病after all, we cannot image that an individual knows nothing about a field of scientific inquiry can make any important discoveries.哼唧，你说知识重要，然后就说毕竟没有知识就不能有成就，不又是废话嘛，论出来如何重要了么为什么这是没有论证呢？你认为是废话也就是你赞同“没有知识就不能有发现”，如果是这样的话，知识还不重要吗？你觉得呢？当然论证得不够深入，应该继续说怎么没有知识就不能有发现？论出来如何新手和老姜们没有大区别了么？那老头头们都学富五车积累了一辈子了岂不是更丰富？在开篇已经限制了新手和专家唯一的差别就是经验，没有别的。。。，当然知识肯定也是差不多啦，还有专家不等于老头 In addition, a indomitable spirit is also important to make important discoveries. As is pointed out above, the scientist's task is to explore the unknown secret of the world. During the inquriy, the scientist would encounter difficulties beyond imagine more or less. If the scientist has not a indomitable spirit, which I means cannot insist to go foreword and overcome these difficulties, he can hardly make any important discoveries.同上句批改意见 没明白，请明示:DFor instance, Mrs. Curie, the mother of radium, spent nearly ten years on discovering the element radium, processing tons of material and refines only 0.1gram radium., incurs lots of difficulties.最后小半截是虾米用法？ 嘿嘿，我的错，应该是incuring, ft,咋就没检查出来捏 Without the unbeatable spirit it is impossible for Mrs. Curie to discover the element radium. Therefore, knowledge and an indomitable spirit is the primary factor to make important scientific discoveries. Once again, the beginner and the expert stand on the same scratch line.到最后才说到点上，可是只有很简略一句。你说没区别你就说没区别呀，这一段没看出来没区别的意思，只是在说影响因素，说吧还没说出来factor如何影响到发现和突破，刚说到一个因素，你就立马转移反着说要是没有XXX必然不能成功，这是废话啊，做科研的怎么可能没点知识没个坚持的精神？尤其是关于知识那点的分析，那义务！  到最后才说了一句一个起跑线就完事儿了，没区别啊没区别，在哪里体现呢。举例的话建议两方面都举可以平衡些，也能说明点possibility没有大的差别没区别的逻辑是这样的：首先我们已经限定了新手和专家唯一的区别就是经验，那么自然，知识和精神都是同样的，不会因为新手就多点或少点。而知识和精神是做出重大发现的重要因素，没有他们就不行了，而新手和专家在这方面是一样的，因此他们在同一起跑线。写到这里，又发现可以在继续深入进去，点明知识和精神是因人而异，而不是因新手或专家而异。还有，你总说这些是显而异见，那不是就说明了我说得有道理：“没有这些就不能做出重大发现”，你都承认我说得有道理，我为什么还要继续做什么证明呢？你的看法。但是总的来说，这一段说明还是无力了，不够深入，如xiongyi所说，

In sum, form the discuss above, we can draw a conclusion that science is not a matter of experience means, a scientist who want to make important discoveries should be armed with sound professional knowledge and indomitable spirit. Thus noneneither…nor of the beginner and the expert is more likly to make important discoveries in any field of inquiry.

今天批改语言比较猛，主要是看了你的照片，长的那么像刘德华，实在心怀嫉妒，就拿你的作文撒气了。  鉴于你第一次限时成功，鼓励下。就不多罗索了。在说明两者在possiblity上没有谁优势多谁优势少上面不够成功，没看出来，为虾米两者的机遇就差不多呢？嗯？嗯？嗯？
还是先不要管语言，看看我的提纲，看从提纲上能不能说服你先，可能我的语言不能表达我的思想，倒～～，玉米：
Position：在新手与专家的唯一区别是经验这个前提下，新手与专家做出重大发现的可能性是一样的
B1：而新手与专家的唯一差别只是经验，经验在做出重大发现方面作用很小，所以他们在同一起跑线上
B2：影响做出重大发现的因素是扎实的专业知识和锲而不舍的努力，这方面新手与专家是一样的，所以他们在同一起跑线上

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B2 这方面是一样的！！！！！           你说了么？？？？？？？ 难道就最后一句么？
从你的全文来看 感觉不明显 这个“没有区别”

我眼睛已经不行了 哗啦流眼泪
不和你辨了 我一直在忿忿不平你为啥会像刘德华 没有天理

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还有我说的显而易见的 还要你论证干虾米 而且你的论证没有说明这个问题呀
比如说知识吧 你刚提出这个观点 马上就说without 就不能做出发现 这不是废话嘛？ 而且这对你证明没有区别 有虾米帮助？

你在汉语和我辨的时候会说知识是因人而异 不会因为新手和专家就大不同 那你在作文为啥不说？