issue157 终于限时成功了，不过语言好象。。。哎，没那么多时间琢磨。。。

fircattyUID: 166248

157"There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."|

1观察是主观的，因为是人的行为
2被观察的事物是客观的，观察不能guided by the observer's expectations or desires
3观察是被人的观察能力所左右的

I basically agree with the speaker that the purely objective observation does not exist, however, it does not mean the observation can be guided by the observer's expectations or disires. As for me, what actually instructs people's observation is the their own observational ability.

I admit that all observation is subjective in that observation is a human behaviour, which calls for adding individuals' thinking to what they have seen. People with various social statues, backgrounds, experiences and education may have different opinions when observe the same things. Here is an interesting expriment which can easily explain the point. An expert drew a circle on the wall, then asked differernt individuals to observe. A child thought that the circle was the sun, while a driver consider it as a steering wheel, and a cook believed it was a plate. As an old saying goes, “there are one thousand Hamlets in one thousand eyes”, observation is always subjective.

Although observation is subjective, it still cannot be guided by the observer's expectations or desires. The objects we watch are objective, which cannot be changed with our intentions. Take a football game for example, Manadona, an Argentine football player, once broke the regulation by using his hand to hit the football, while the referee did not see. The similar cases often happen in a football game. But only if one see the video which has shot all the scene, one can clearly see the breaking action, even the player himself, who does not want admit, has to confess to having broken the regulation. Therefore, one cannot guide the observation by one's own expectations.

In fact, human's observation is guided by their ability to observe. On one hand, human's natural ability restrict the observation. A shortsighted person cannot clearly see the views far away, while a farsighted person, on the contrary, can hardly observe the things in a near distance. On the other hand, human's observation is also limited by the tools that they have invented to help observe. With advanced telescope, modern people can observe the sky much more freely and distinctly than ancient people, but we still have many stars which cannot be observed. View from this angle, the observation is always be guided by the observer's natural ability and artificial instruments rather than his/her expectations or desires.

To sum up, due to a behaviour requiring observer's mind to join in, observation is unavoidably subjective, but it does not mean observers could freely decide what they have observed. I concede observation is indeed guided, not by observer's expectations but by the ability of the observer and tools he/she used to observe.

ahqiuUID: 207682

我也写了的，互相借鉴一下吧
我明天给你改
https://bbs.gter.net/viewthre ... ;highlight=issue157

翦瞳UID: 184872

157"There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."|

1观察是主观的，因为是人的行为
2被观察的事物是客观的，观察不能guided by the observer's expectations or desires
3观察是被人的观察能力所左右的

I basically agree with the speaker that the purely objective observation does not exist, however, it does not mean the observation can be guided by the observer's expectations or disires. As for me, what actually instructs people's observation is the their own observational ability.很好表达的开头

I admit that all observation is subjective 绝对吧？ in that observation is a human behaviour, which calls for adding 去掉 individuals' thinking to what they have seen. People with various social statues, backgrounds, experiences and education may have different opinions when observe observingthe same things. Here is an interesting expriment which can easily explain the point. An expert drew a circle on the wall, then asked differernt individuals to observe. A child thought that the circle was the sun, while a driver consider it as a steering wheel, and a cook believed it was a plate.  （例子很好） As an old saying goes, “there are one thousand Hamlets in one thousand eyes”, 怀疑这句话：我不知道但我会写：there are one thousand Hamlets for one thousand audients observation is always subjective.

Although observation is subjective, it still cannot be guided by the observer's expectations or desires. The objects we watch are objective, which cannot be changed with our intentions. Take a football game for example, Manadona, an Argentine football player, once broke the regulation by using his hand to hit the football, while the referee did not see. The similar cases often happen in a football game. But only if one see the video which has shot all the scene, one can clearly see the breaking action, even the player himself, who does not want admit, has to confess to having broken the regulation.好长！ Therefore, one cannot guide the observation by one's own expectations. (例子不好吧？据个实验吧！无法欺骗结果)

In fact, human's observation is guided by their ability to observe. On one hand, human's natural ability restrict the observation. A shortsighted person cannot clearly see the views far away, while a farsighted person, on the contrary, can hardly observe the things in a near distance. （不好，还是举个同样的现象，只有特定的人才发现）On the other hand, human's observation is also limited by the tools that they have invented to help to? observe. With advanced telescope, modern people can observe the sky much more freely and distinctly than ancient people, but we still have many stars which cannot be observed. View from this angle, the observation is always be guided by the observer's natural ability and artificial instruments rather than his/her expectations or desires. (后半截虽然没错，但联系不大)

To sum up, due to a behaviour requiring observer's mind to join in, observation is unavoidably subjective, but it does not mean observers could freely decide what they have observed. I concede observation is indeed guided, not by observer's expectations but by the ability of the observer and tools he/she used to observe

例子再重新想象，不怎么支持论点！

JianchuanUID: 2121431

Outline来看, 有观点认为该issue把observation和comprehension混淆了, observation是客观的, comprehension才是主观的. 我很认可这个说法.

另外想讨教一下各位限时是怎么回事... 我从开始练习写起从来就没有超时过, 大概就是35-45分钟写完, 然后再也写不出来了, 字数也够. 拼写错十几个的样子.. 不知道各位是不是把肉眼纠错的时间算在里面才用那么久的?

JianchuanUID: 2121431

https://bbs.gter.net/search.p ... mp;searchsubmit=yes

fircattyUID: 166248

谢谢翦瞳
备受打击中~~
呵呵
我在消化消化，修改一下吧~

To Jianchuan
你比较强啊~
我一会儿帮你看看吧:)

ahqiuUID: 207682

157"There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."|

1观察是主观的，因为是人的行为
2被观察的事物是客观的，观察不能guided by the observer's expectations or desires
3观察是被人的观察能力所左右的

I basically agree with the speaker that the purely objective observation does not exist, however, it does not mean the observation can be guided by the observer's expectations or disires（desire）. As for me, what actually instructs people's observation is the(去掉) their own observational ability.

I admit that all observation is subjective in that observation is a human behaviour, which calls for adding individuals' thinking to what they have seen. People with various social statues, backgrounds, experiences and education may have different opinions when observe the same things. Here is an interesting expriment（experiment） which can easily explain the point. An expert drew a circle on the wall, then asked differernt（后面的拼写错就不帮你该了） individuals to observe. A child thought that the circle was the sun, while a driver consider it as a steering wheel, and a cook believed it was a plate. As an old saying goes, “there are one thousand Hamlets in one thousand eyes”, observation is always subjective. （觉得例子不错的说）

Although observation is subjective, it still cannot be guided by the observer's expectations or desires. The objects we watch are objective, which cannot be changed with our intentions. (这句话放在这里没什么用，要证明的是observation)Take a football game for example, Manadona, an Argentine football player, once broke the regulation by using his hand to hit the football, while the referee did not see. The similar cases often happen in a football game. But only if one see the video which has shot all the scene, one can clearly see the breaking action, even the player himself, who does not want admit, has to confess to having broken the regulation. Therefore, one cannot guide the observation by one's own expectations. （这个例子好像在证明下一个观点，是没有能力去看，所以不能guild by intention, 这段的观点很绝对阿，cannot,感觉没有说清楚，观点就有点费解）
In fact, human's observation is guided by their ability to observe. On one hand, human's natural ability restrict the observation. A shortsighted person cannot clearly see the views far away, while a farsighted person, on the contrary, can hardly observe the things in a near distance. On the other hand, human's observation is also limited by the tools that they have invented to help observe. With advanced telescope, modern people can observe the sky much more freely and distinctly than ancient people, but we still have many stars which cannot be observed. View from this angle, the observation is always be guided by the observer's natural ability and artificial instruments rather than his/her expectations or desires.（很有条理，呵呵）
To sum up, due to a behaviour requiring observer's mind to join in, observation is unavoidably subjective, but it does not mean observers could freely decide what they have observed. I concede observation is indeed guided, not by observer's expectations but by the ability of the observer and tools he/she used to observe.
你的文章比我写的清楚多了，看了深受启发阿，呵呵
而且是现实写得吧，我写都超时了

fircattyUID: 166248

to ahqiu
是限时的
不过事先都想好提纲了
贴在pp3里写，还有一分半的时间，没有检查单词错误，就赶快复制出来了
怕一会时间到了就找不到存哪里了
根据 你 和 翦瞳 的意见，我对文章做了较大的修改，尤其是B3，例子换掉了
谢谢你哦~

fircattyUID: 166248

ps
B1里你们都大加赞赏的例子是我想不到别的，自己临时编的，嘿嘿，开心ing