Issue185 【南智小组 Norman第15次作业】---“第3版”【同主题第四期】在#14楼！

norman518UID：188582

TOPIC: ISSUE185 - "Scandals-whether in politics, academia, or other areas-can be useful. They focus our attention on problems in ways that no speaker or reformer ever could."
(original) WORDS:538          TIME: 00:45:00          DATE: 2006-12-22
(edited)  WORDS:758          TIME: 00:45+60:00


The speaker asserts that scandals can be useful in any fields just because they can draw our attention on problems in ways that speaker or reformer could not. In my point of view, however, I only concede that it is for the sake of solving ingrained and vital difficulties that scandals can be useful, otherwise its negative effects overweigh its positive.

Above all, scandals are always born with the human beings and have no bounds. It can take place anytime and anywhere in human society. It can occur on a pope of ancient Vatican as well as on a president of the United States; it can range from religion to academia, from politics to economics. If we cast a look back to the civilized history of world, it is possible for me to identify the evolution of scandals to some extent. From the love affair between Cleopatra queen and Mark Antony to the sex scandal between Clinton President and Monica Lewinsky, from Chinese officer corruption to Korean clone fabrication, all these cases illuminate the fact that scandals result from the weakness of human beings, and are irrelevant to the regime no matter whether a autocracy or a democracy. And God originally knows that human being is born with at least seven sins, such as greedy, envy, lust and so forth, about which Clinton president once argued for his scandal. Therefore, it is only through national attitude and critical analysis that we can clarify the source and sticking point of the scandal.

Secondly, with the advent of information era, there are more scandals around the corner than ever before. Is the scientific and technological development responsible for the more and more scandals? Absolutely not. Deep down the source of scandals, from the fabricated information about atomic and biochemical weapon in Iraq to the fabricated results about cloned stem cells in Korea, from Taiwan’s general election scandal to collapse of Enron and Anderson, it is the careerism that directly leads to scandals. In practice, it is human beings’ greed and lust for pursuing power and benefits that always accompany the evolution of human society, and more often than not some of scandals are emerged on our sights but the increasing trend of scandals is ineffective under the control. Is it really in the way that speaker or reformer could not deal with those difficulties to which scandals draw our attention? For those problems exposed by scandals, maybe speaker or reformer has not the willing to expose and deal with those ingrained and vital problems—such as, racial and religious conflict, economical corruption, power-benefit exchange, and so on; maybe they want to ensconce the greater scandal while the revealed scandal focuses our attention on some superficial problems. On balance, to some extent, scandals are not useful way to deal with vital and ingrained problem.

What is interesting is that scandals, referring to intentional and malicious gossip, are totally deleterious rather than useful and beneficial. In this situation, it is the only propose for scandals to focus our attention on their appealing effects and to distract us from more pressing social and economical problem. By now, we should still remember the respect Diana Princess, what is true is that scandals about her love affair after suffering disaster placed our attention on private life of eminent princess, and distract our focus from princess eager commonweal, such as African famine, AIDS patients, and so on. So, it is ridiculous for us to clam that scandals are useful according to its appealing.

Admittedly, scandals indeed provide us a way to realize some unknown problems and to understand the truth and root behind problems. From Watergate, common people can find out the dope under the common election, and classify the fallacy hided between the power and responsibility, and then overcome and rule out human beings’ weakness and mistakes through enacting and modifying act or law. All those human progresses are based on the premise that speaker or reformer is willing to deal with and actively take part in. In a short, the only time scandals can be useful is when reformer or reformer want to solve those ingrained and vital problem.

In sum, without scandals, we could lose the chance to recognize our own weakness and vital social problem; overdue emphasis on scandals, we could be distracted our attention from more pressing problems. From above discussion, I can confidently to conclude that it is the only time for scandals to be useful when we deal with the appealing attention of scandals with national attitude and critical analysis.

[ 本帖最后由 norman518 于 2007-2-13 01:56 编辑 ]

solohanUID：2279589

真是佩服啊，写得很流畅，说理和例子相穿插，讲得很深刻。55 我的就不行了，有堆砌例子之嫌。
只是有一个问题，我觉得倒数第二段不是那么扣题，虽然看的出你是想将reformer拉进来。但这么一讲，感觉和这个主题不是很相关，你在结论中也没有提到。
另外有个问题，这是修改后的，正式场上写不了这么多字的话，能表达清楚你的观点吗。
愚人之见，仅供参考

solohanUID：2279589

Since scandals often attract the public attention and uncover many potential societal problems, I strongly agree with the speakers. Retrospect on the widespread scandals happened in politics, academia, and business serve to reveal the effect of scandals. However, the sandals in other areas like entertainment may distract us and bring no positive effect.

Watergate which occurred in 1970s has entered the lexicon as the synonym as corruption and scandal. If it was not been intervened and carefully investigated, the population may never know the huge conspiracy behind the president. After the scandal, there was a reform on campaign finance. In additional, the media begin to play a more and more important role in oversee the government with an aggressive attitude. The Watergate also has profound consequences even many years later. For instance, the influence of Watergate could be detected in the case of Clinton’s scandal, in which the impeachment on president and the attitude by the public could be comparative to the period of Nixon. There is no individual one in history who has such a comprehensive influence on the whole population.  

In academic fields, the scandal of Korean’s Dr. Hwang dominated the media last year, who once was honored as hero of Korea. He forged the experimental results, reported plausible findings and claimed new advances. The Korean government invested a lot in his studies but get nothing in the end. No people suspected his accomplishment before one of his partner pointed out. It is his fakeness in research that strikes the whole academic world and promotes the scholars to put the research moral in a new height. Not only Korea, but also other countries, like China, begins to scrutinize the credence of the researcher's findings, papers, and degrees more severely. Furthermore, it helps the Korean to realize the nation’s overemphasis on success which leads to hurrying for results while ignoring the procedures. Neither speakers nor reformers could have such an extensive influence on the society in a short time.  

In business, the Enron's incident may serve to best exemplify the effect of scandals. A past huge company bankrupted in one day shocked the world. The scandal put the honesty of accounting company and government up to the surface. It exposures the problems in three levels: the fiscal mechanism, the stock market operation, and the political system. Thus people appeal for a finance reform and a more convincing government to ensure the public interest. Without the vivid example happening so close to people’s daily life, the public could not pinpoint the ills in so many regions.

Obviously, the scandals play a role as a critics who lead our views to where is unfair, unconvincing, and illegal. Nevertheless, things are not always the same, particularly in entertainment area. The entertainment area is characterized by everyday scandals. The scandals there are only an approach to catering to the curiosity of humans. It serves nothing to affect people’s value, beliefs and reflection. They may distract us from the more important problems in the society, like poverty, hungry and war.
Therefore, in those situations when it has much to do with public interest, like politics, academia, and business, the scandals could benefit the society by disclose the societal ills and impulse reflection and reforms in political systems, academic attitude and corporation mechanisms. The scandals based on curiosity like in entertainment area could not be considered useful at all.

norman518UID：188582

To Solohan:
可以把你的帖子的连接发过来，我不能在我的帖子里给你修改呀！

lalahUID：2215160

顶~

solohanUID：2279589

呵呵 对哦 谢谢
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solohanUID：2279589

The speaker asserts that scandals can be useful in any fields just because they can draw our attention on problems in ways that speaker(s) or reformer(s) could not. In my point of view, however, I only concede that it is for the sake of solving ingrained and vital difficulties that scandals can be useful, otherwise its negative effects overweigh its positive (ones).
Above all, scandals are always born with the human beings and have no bounds. It can take place anytime and anywhere in human society. It can occur on a pope of ancient Vatican as well as on a president of the United States; it can range from religion to academia, from politics to economics. If we cast a look back to the civilized history of (the) world, it is possible for me(deleted, 从句里边用的是we，这里又说I，有点问题的的说) to identify the evolution of scandals to some extent. From the love affair between Cleopatra queen and Mark Antony to the sex scandal between Clinton President and Monica Lewinsky, from Chinese officer corruption to Korean clone fabrication, all these cases illuminate the fact that scandals result from the weakness of human beings, and are irrelevant to the regime no matter whether a autocracy or a democracy. And God originally knows that human being is born with at least seven sins, such as greedy, envy, lust and so forth, about which Clinton president once argued for his scandal. Therefore, it is only through national attitude and critical analysis that we can clarify the source and sticking point of the scandal.(例子很不错，而且组织地很好。只是觉得半段的分析有点不够深入，比如调和weakness是什么。七宗罪的分析是想说明什么呢，我不是很明白，而且突然从religion的角度来说，但又很简单，会不会有点和全段不协调)
Secondly, with the advent of information era, there are more scandals around the corner than ever before. Is the scientific and technological development responsible for the more and more scandals? Absolutely not. Deep down the source of scandals, from the fabricated information about atomic and biochemical weapon in Iraq to the fabricated results about cloned stem cells in Korea, from Taiwan’s general election scandal to collapse of Enron and Anderson, it is the careerism that directly leads to scandals. In practice, it is human beings’ greed and lust for pursuing power and benefits that always accompany the evolution of human society, and more often than not some of scandals are emerged on our sights but the increasing trend of scandals is ineffective under the control.(连着几个强调句，好像全文中这个句式用的比较读，读起来是很好，但如果有变换会不会更好呢，比如：What…is …) Is it really in the way that speaker(s) or reformer(s 复数表类别，应该加s吧) could not deal with those difficulties to which scandals draw our attention? For those problems exposed by scandals, maybe speaker or reformer has (are) not the willing to (我想到可以用hesitate) expose and deal with those ingrained and vital problems—such as, racial and religious conflict, economical corruption, power-benefit exchange, and so on; maybe they want to ensconce the greater scandal while the revealed scandal focuses our attention on some superficial problems. On balance, to some extent, scandals are not (a) useful way to deal with vital and ingrained problem.(怎么突然balance过来啦~前面不都在讲scandal的好处，和speaker，reformer的无用吗，这段的point并不是scandal的两面性吧，有待商榷。另起一段？)
What is interesting is that scandals, referring to intentional and malicious gossip, are totally deleterious rather than useful and beneficial. In this situation, it is the only propose for scandals to focus our attention on their appealing effects and to distract us from more pressing social and economical problem. By now, we should still remember the respect Diana Princess, what is true is that scandals about her love affair after suffering disaster placed our attention on private life of eminent princess, and distract(ed) our focus from princess eager commonweal, such as African famine, AIDS patients, and so on(?是吗？当时确实是这两个问题很严重吗？还是它们一直都在被关注). So, it is ridiculous for us to clam (claim) that scandals are useful according to its appealing.
Admittedly, scandals indeed provide us a way to realize some unknown problems and to understand the truth and root behind problems. From Watergate, common people can find out the dope(查了一下，这个词比较oral) under the common election, and classify the fallacy hided between the power and responsibility, and then overcome and rule out human beings’ weakness and mistakes through enacting and modifying act or law. All those human progresses(好少见到复数形式) are based on the premise that speaker or reformer is willing to deal with and actively take part in. In a short, the only time scandals can be useful is when reformer or reformer want to solve those ingrained and vital problem.(就一句话就得出结论啦？如果只是概略地点出，没有必要作一个强结论“only”)
In sum, without scandals, we could lose the chance to recognize our own weakness and vital social problem; overdue emphasis on scandals, we could be distracted our attention(deleted “our attention”) from more pressing problems. From above (常后置吧，前置见的比较多的是foregoing) discussion, I can confidently to conclude that it is the only time for scandals to be useful when we deal with the appealing attention of scandals with national attitude and critical analysis.

norman518UID：188582

Happy new year!!
谢谢你的指点！
改得真的很仔细，愿你今年心想事成！

1). seven sins includes greedy, lust, envy, pride, sloth, wrath and gluttony，我是想表明“贪婪、欲望、自私等”恶习是人类天生的weakness---也是scandals的根源所在，每必要fuss,President Clinton也为此而辩护：我不过是犯了一个男人所犯的错！
2）我不是从宗教的角度在讲scandals, 而是说GOD在造人的时候给了他们seven sins,但也同时赋予人们一些virtues: benevolence, diligence, tolerance,and so on.去克服自身的弱点。---有道理吗？
3）我对 句式的变化研究不多：你有什么好的句型，请提供点！谢谢
4）我body2结尾用的：on balance--不是“balance”的意思，而是“In sum, In conclusion”。所以，这段的point并没有谈scandal的两面性吧！
5）我body3里的问题African famine, AIDS patients, and so on---不是说“严重的问题”，而是“戴妃热心的公益事业”。
6）我body4结尾用的：the only time ... is when ...强调句型，刚刚学的，所以试用一次就被你发现了！牛哟！

[ 本帖最后由 norman518 于 2006-12-31 22:42 编辑 ]

luckychinaUID：2131861

ding~~

norman518UID：188582

The speaker asserts that scandals can be useful in any fields just because they can draw our attention on problems in ways that speaker or reformer could not. In my point of view, however, I only concede that it is for the sake of solving ingrained and vital difficulties that scandals can be useful, otherwise its negative effects overweigh its positive ones.

Above all, scandals are always born with the human beings and have no bounds. It can take place anytime and anywhere in human society. It can occur on a pope of ancient Vatican as well as on a president of the United States; it can range from religion to academia, from politics to economics. If casting a look back to the civilized history of the world, it is possible for me to identify the evolution of scandals to some extent. From the love affair between Cleopatra queen and Mark Antony to the sex scandal between Clinton President and Monica Lewinsky, from Chinese officer corruption to Korean clone fabrication, all these cases illuminate the fact that scandals result from the weakness of human beings, and are irrelevant to the regime no matter whether a autocracy or a democracy. And God originally knows that human being is born with at least seven sins, such as greedy, envy, lust and so forth---about which Clinton president once argued for his scandal---which should be original motivity to result in scandals. Therefore, it is only through national attitude and critical analysis that we can clarify the source and sticking point of the scandal.

Secondly, with the advent of information era, there are more scandals around the corner than ever before. Is the scientific and technological development responsible for the more and more scandals? Absolutely not. Deep down the source of scandals, from the fabricated information about atomic and biochemical weapon in Iraq to the fabricated results about cloned stem cells in Korea, from Taiwan’s general election scandal to the collapse of Enron and Anderson, it is the careerism that directly leads to scandals. In practice, it is human beings’ greed and lust for pursuing power and benefits that always accompany the evolution of human society, and more often than not some of scandals are emerged on our sights but the increasing trend of scandals is ineffective under the control. Is it really in the way that speaker or reformer could not deal with those difficulties to which scandals draw our attention? For those problems exposed by scandals, maybe speaker or reformer has not the willing to expose and deal with those ingrained and vital problems—such as, racial and religious conflict, economical corruption, power-benefit exchange, and so on; maybe they want to ensconce the greater scandal while the revealed scandal focuses our attention on some superficial problems. On balance, to some extent, scandals should not be effective and useful way to deal with vital and ingrained problem.

What is interesting is that scandals, referring to intentional and malicious gossip, are totally deleterious rather than useful and beneficial. In this situation, it is the only propose for scandals to focus our attention on their appealing effects and to distract us from more pressing social and economical problem. By now, we should still remember the respect Diana Princess, what is true is that scandals about her love affair after suffering disaster placed our attention on her private life of eminent princess, and distract our focus from princess eager commonweal, such as African famine, AIDS patients, and so on. So, it is ridiculous for us to clam that scandals are useful according to its appealing.

Admittedly, scandals indeed provide us a way to realize some unknown problems and to understand the truth and root behind problems. From Watergate, common people can find out the straight goods under the common election, and classify the fallacy hided between the power and responsibility, and then overcome and rule out human beings’ weakness and mistakes through enacting and modifying act or law. All those human progresses are based on the premise that speaker or reformer is willing to deal with and actively take part in. In a short, the only time scandals can be useful is when reformer or reformer want to solve those ingrained and vital problem. If not, we could have a longer and more labyrinthian or flexuous way to go.

In sum, without scandals, we could lose the chance to recognize our own weakness and vital social problem; overdue emphasis on scandals, we could be distracted our attention from more pressing problems. From above discussion, I can confidently to conclude that it is the only time for scandals to be useful when we deal with the appealing attention of scandals with national attitude and critical analysis.

taroUID：2286098

Good job. Cheers!

rubenUID：2163558

FYI

1. 首段提出论点，丑闻只在解决重大问题时有用，否则其负面影响将超出其正面影响。接下来几段似乎并未围绕这一中心：第二段从人性角度讲丑闻无可避免，有点跑题。第三段内容安排有点乱，前半部讨论科技发展是否该对丑闻增多负责，后半部讨论speaker or reformer处理重大问题时的方法和态度，与首段确立的中心似乎无关。第四段讲杜撰的丑闻有弊无利，似乎也跑题了。第五段，讲丑闻效用的局限性，照应主题。

2. 二段二句：it can range from religion to academia, from politics to economics.
academia有学术界的意思，其余几个词似乎不太准确，religion->?、politics-> political circles政界、economics-> business circles商界

三段末句：to some extent, scandals should not be effective and useful way to deal with vital and ingrained problem.
此句与首段的中心句矛盾？

3. 与美国时政有关的例子，比如伊拉克战争，不建议列举

[ 本帖最后由 ruben 于 2007-2-7 17:34 编辑 ]

nujnujoahzUID：2287893

楼主对于scandal的分析很透彻,
但是,题目是让我们分析scandals对我们的社会究竟是好还是坏,
但是把过多的笔墨用在它存在的原因就有些跑题了,稍微说说就OK了

norman518UID：188582

提纲：
观点：有保留地反对---丑闻只在解决重大问题时才是有益的，否则其负面影响将超出其正面影响，而非有用的；
B1：丑闻是人类自身弱点的表现，因此我们只有理性、客观地分析丑闻并找到其根源所在，才能正确判断它是否有用；
B3：从当今社会各行各业丑闻层出不穷的现象入手，发现各种丑闻的根源是人类过分“追求名利”（贪婪和欲望）所致；丑闻暴露的问题并非speaker or reformer能独立解决，而是另有原因。因此，丑闻不是解决重大问题的有效和有用的途径；
B3：当丑闻涉及到“有意和恶意诽谤”时，它是非常有害的，而非有益和有用的；
B4：当然丑闻有助于我们了解一些隐藏的重大问题并认识其背后的根源所在，而问题的解决（丑闻是否有用）还取决于speaker or reformer和大众的态度。

The speaker asserts that scandals can be useful in any fields just because it can draw our attention on problems in ways that speaker or reformer could not. In my point of view, however, I only concede that it is for the sake of solving ingrained and vital difficulties that scandals can be beneficial, otherwise its negative effects overweigh its positive ones, let alone its useful ways.

Above all, scandals are always born with the human beings and have no bounds. It can take place anytime and anywhere in human society. It can occur on a pope of ancient Vatican as well as on a president of the United States; it can range from religion to academia, from politics to economics. If casting a look back to the civilized history of the world, it is possible for me to identify the evolution of scandals to some extent. From the love affair between Cleopatra queen and Mark Antony to the sex scandal between Clinton President and Monica Lewinsky, from Chinese officer corruption to Korean clone fabrication, all these cases illuminate the fact that scandals result from the weakness of human beings, and are irrelevant to the regime no matter whether a autocracy or a democracy. And God originally knows that human being is born with at least seven sins, such as greedy, envy, lust and so forth---about which Clinton president once argued for his scandal---which should be original motivity to result in scandals. Therefore, it is only through national attitude and critical analysis that we can clarify the source and sticking point of the scandal, and then accurately appraise whether scandals are useful or not.

Secondly, with the advent of information era, there are more scandals around the corner than ever before. Is the scientific and technological development responsible for the more and more scandals? Absolutely no. Deep down the source of scandals, from the fabricated information about atomic and biochemical weapon in Iraq to the fabricated results about cloned stem cells in Korea, from Taiwan’s general election scandal to the collapse of Enron and Anderson, it is the careerism that directly leads to scandals. In practice, it is human beings’ greed and lust for pursuing power and benefits that always accompany the evolution of human society, and more often than not some of scandals are emerged on our sights but the increasing trend of scandals is ineffective under the control. Is it really in the way that speaker or reformercould not deal with those difficulties to which scandals draw our attention? For those problems exposed by scandals, maybe speakers or reformers hesitate to expose and deal with those ingrained and vital problems—such as, racial and religious conflict, economical corruption, power-benefit exchange, and so on; maybe they want to ensconce the greater scandal while the revealed scandal focuses our attention on some superficial problems. On balance, to some extent, scandals should not be effective and useful way to deal with vital and ingrained problem.

What is interesting is that scandals, referring to intentional and malicious gossip, are totally deleterious rather than useful and beneficial. In this situation, it is the only propose for scandals to focus our attention on their appealing effects and to distract us from more pressing social and economical problem. By now, we should still remember the respect Diana Princess, what is true is that scandals about her love affair after suffering disaster placed our attention on her private life of eminent princess, and distract our focus from princess eager commonweal, such as African famine, AIDS patients, and so on. So, it is ridiculous for us to clam that scandals are useful according to its appealing.

Admittedly, scandals indeed provide us a way to realize some significantly hided problems and to understand the truth and root behind problems. From Watergate, common people can find out the straight goods under the common election, and classify the fallacy hided between the power and responsibility, and then overcome and rule out human beings’ weakness and mistakes through enacting and modifying act or law. All those human progresses are based on the premise that speakers or reformers are willing to deal with and common people actively take part in. In a short, the only time scandals can be useful is when reformers or reformers and our people want to solve those ingrained and vital problem. If not, we could have a longer and more labyrinthian or flexuous way to go.

In sum, without scandals, we could lose the chance to recognize our own weakness and vital social problem; with overemphasis on scandals, we could be distracted our attention from more pressing problems. From above discussion, I can confidently to conclude that it is the only time for scandals to be useful when we deal with the appealing attention of scandals with national attitude and critical analysis.

rubenUID：2163558

对第二段持保留意见，理由见前贴。
另外，文中列举多个例子，个人认为，如果少列几个例子，但同时对每个例子作比较透彻的分析，可能会更有说服力。

[ 本帖最后由 ruben 于 2007-2-25 22:04 编辑 ]