美国开业建筑师对NAAB影响的解答

xiaojia1105UID: 2367863

就NAAB认证对于在美国考注有多大影响的问题，一直大家都只能找到ABBS上面那个很绕的帖。就这个问题我请教了在美国开业多年的前辈。他是AIA主持事务所也很多年了。我相信答案会比较准确，现在贴出来给大家个参考。

But if you are correct and XXX is not certified by NAAB, it means that your degree will not count towards being a registered architect. I am not sure if your degree from China will be recognized and count towards being a registered architect in the United States either. It does not mean you cannot get registered, but it means that you would have to work for an architect for many years (I think it might be 12 years) before you can qualify to take the exam.

littlesnow20UID: 2306701

那如果有NAAB 要工作几年呢？

archi-flandoUID: 2627119

每个州的规定不一样
AIA执照需要两样东西，完成IDP(intern development program，实际上就是工作时间，总共700个unit,大概2年半到三年半上下的样子)， ARE(architect register exam,注册考试，9门，现在开始逐步改成7门)，按照白纸黑字的规定，12yr显然是稍微长了那么一点

archi-flandoUID: 2627119

关于国外工作经验能否转到美国IDP,现在有新的规定，也就是6-month-rule,你必须在工作结束后6个月申报IDP记录，这对于在国内有工作经验的人不利，也就是说你基本上是要重头算起。

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但是大家不要忘了，参加idp的前提是把你的学校成绩单或者毕业证情况给aia寄过去，audit通过后才行啊。不是naab认证的学位，audit根本过不了，这也就意味着不能idp，也就是不能拿到licence.
至于楼上提到的12年这个说法我也见过！因为美国以前存在高中毕业就去建筑师事务所画图的，他们是工作12年之后可以考注册的。之所以这么长就是因为没有naab认证的学位。
我的architecture practice课程的教授（faia）说，理论上美国对中国的建筑学学位是承认的，但仅仅是理论上。。。至于怎么操作，就无人知道了。
所以大家如果来美国读建筑，保险起见，还是读naab认证的professional学位把！！

chnhzgbUID: 2523449

难道我们有人申请不认证的学校。。我真没仔细看过，但是我申请的都是NAAB,还有12年还可以,你看中国,不是建筑本科毕业还不是最长要10年....最短是2年

archi-flandoUID: 2627119

中国的学位有人拿去audit并通过认证的，但具体情况要看学校，这个自己正在办。
目前就本人了解大部分1年制甚至一年半的学位，包括M.S. M.A.都不在naab认证范围内,当然这不是绝对的，具体情况可以参照下面的naab 认证list(http://www.ncarb.org/idp/supplementalEducation.html)

Arizona State University
School of Architecture+Landscape Architecture
P.O. Box 871905, North Architecture Building, Room 162, Tempe, AZ, 85287-1605
Website: http://design.asu.edu/sala/index.shtml
Master of Science in the Built Environment
Auburn University
College of Architecture, Design and Construction
School of Architecture, 104 Dudley Hall, Auburn, AL, 36849-5316
Website: http://cadc.auburn.edu/soa/
Master of Community Planning
Master of Building Construction
Ball State University
Department of Architecture
College of Architecture & Planning, AB 402, Muncie, IN, 47306
Website: http://www.bsu.edu/architecture
M.ARCH II Post-Professional
California Polytechnic State University
College of Architecture & Env. Design
Architecture Department, One Grand Avenue, San Luis Obispo, CA, 93407
Website: http://www.arch.calpoly.edu
MS Arch
Carnegie Mellon University
School of Architecture
College of Fine Arts 201, Pittsburgh, PA, 15213
Website: http://www.arc.cmu.edu
Master of Science in Architecture
PhD Computational Design
PhD Architecture Engineering Construction Management
Catholic University of America
School of Architecture and Planning
Crough Center for Architectural Studies, 620 Michigan Avenue, NE, Washington, DC, 20064
Website: http://architecture.cua.edu/
M ArchStudies
Master of City and Regional Planning
Master of Sustainable Design
Clemson University
School of Architecture
Box 340503, 145 Lee Hall, Clemson, SC, 29634-0503
Website: http://www.clemson.edu/caah/architecture/
MS Arch
PhD
Construction Science and Management
Cornell University
Department of Architecture
College of Architecture, Art & Planning, 143 E. Sibley Hall, Ithaca, NY, 14853-6701
Website: http://www.architecture.cornell.edu
M Arch: Post-professional
Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University
School of Architecture
1938 S. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., Tallahassee, FL, 32307-4200
Website: http://www.famusoa.net/
Master of Science in Architecture
Florida Atlantic University
School of Architecture
111 East Las Olas Boulevard, Fort Lauderdale, FL, 33301
Website: http://www.fau.edu/arch
M.S. Arch.
Florida International University
Architecture Department
PCA 272, Miami, FL, 33199
Website: http://www.fiu.edu/~soa/
Master of Arts in Architecture
Georgia Institute of Technology
College of Architecture
247 4th Street, NW, Atlanta, GA, 30332-0155
Website: http://www.arch.gatech.edu
M.S. Arch
PhD Arch
Harvard University
Graduate School of Design
48 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA, 02138
Website: http://www.gsd.harvard.edu
M Arch II
Illinois Institute of Technology
College of Architecture
3360 South State Street, S. R. Crown Hall, Chicago, IL, 60616
Website: http://www.arch.iit.edu
M.Arch--1 year (Post-Professional Degree)
PhD
Kansas State University
College of Architecture, Planning & Design
211 Seaton Hall, Manhattan, KS, 66506-2901
Website: http://capd.ksu.edu/arch
M.S. Architecture
PhD in Environmental Design and Planning
MRCP
M.S. Community Development
Kent State University
College of Architecture & Environmental Design
304 Taylor Hall, Kent, OH, 44242
Website: http://www.caed.kent.edu
M.U.D.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
School of Architecture and Planning
Dept of Architecture, Bldg. 7, 7-337, 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA, 02139-4307
Website: http://architecture.mit.edu/
MS Arch
PhD
MS Real Estate
McGill University
School of Architecture
815 Sherbrooke Street West, Macdonald-Harrington Building, Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6
Website: http://www.mcgill.ca/architecture
M Arch-->1 years
PhD
Miami University
Department of Architecture & Interior Design
101 Alumni Hall, Oxford, OH, 45056
Website: http://fnaxbox1.fna.muohio.edu/arcweb/index2/index.html
M Arch--2 years(non NAAB Accredited)
Mississippi State University
College of Architecture, Art, and Design
School of Architecture, 899 Collegeview Street, P.O. Box AQ, Mississippi State, MS, 39762-5541
Website: http://caad.msstate.edu
Master of Science in Architecture
Morgan State University
School of Architecture and Planning
2201 Argonne Drive, Montebello D103, Baltimore, MD, 21251
Website: http://www.morgan.edu
M CRP
New Jersey Institute of Technology
School of Architecture
University Heights, Weston Hall, Room 320, Newark, NJ, 07102
Website: http://architecture.njit.edu/
M.S. Arch (Academic)
MS Arch (Post-Professional)
Master of Infrastructure Planning
PhD in Urban Systems
NewSchool of Architecture and Design
1249 F Street, San Diego, CA, 92101
Website: http://www.newschoolarch.edu
MS
North Carolina State University
College of Design
School of Architecture, Campus Box 7701, Raleigh, NC, 27695-7701
Website: http://www.design.ncsu.edu
PhD in Design
Ohio State University
Austin E. Knowlton School of Architecture
275 W. Woodruff Avenue, Columbus, OH, 43210
Website: http://knowlton.osu.edu
MASTER OF ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES
Parsons The New School for Design
School of Constructed Environments
25 East 13th Street, New York, NY, 10003
Website: http://www.parsons.edu/sce
M.Arch/MFA Design & Technology
MA Lighting Design
Pennsylvania State University
Department of Architecture
121 Stuckeman Family Building, University Park, PA, 16802
Website: http://www.arch.psu.edu
M Arch--2 years
Princeton University
School of Architecture
S-110 Architecture Building, Princeton, NJ, 08544-5264
Website: http://www.princeton.edu/soa
M Arch--1.5 years
PhD
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
School of Architecture
School of Architeture, Greene Bldg, 110 8th Street, Troy, NY, 12180-3590
Website: http://www.arch.rpi.edu
MS Architectural Sciences Concentrations in Acoustics, Built Ecologies, Lighting
PhD Architectural Sciences Concentrations in Acoustics, Built Ecologies, Lighting
Rice University
School of Architecture
6100 Main Street, Houston, TX, 77005-1892
Website: http://www.arch.rice.edu
M. Arch (Option 3)
Ryerson University
Department of Architectural Science
350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3
Website: http://www.ryerson.ca/arch/
MBSc/MASc
Savannah College of Art and Design
School of Building Arts
229 Martin Luther King Blvd., PO Box 3146, Savannah, GA, 31402-3146
Website: [url=http://www.scad.edu/]http://www.scad.edu[/url]
M.A. in Historic Preservation
Master of Urban Design
School of the Art Institute of Chicago
Department of Architecture, Interior Architecture, and Designed Objects
36 S. Wabash Ave. #1257, Chicago, IL, 60603
Website: http://www.saic.edu
M. Arch. w. Emph. in Interior Architecture Option II
Master of Architecture
Master of Science in Historic Preservation
Master of Design In Designed Objects
Southern California Institute of Architecture
960 E. Third Street, Los Angeles, CA, 90013
Website: http://www.sciarc.edu/
Master's of Design Research, specialization in Urban Research
Master's of Design Research, specialization in Media
Syracuse University
School of Architecture
103 Slocum Hall, Syracuse, NY, 13244-1250
Website: http://soa.syr.edu/
M Arch-->2 years
Texas A&M University
Department of Architecture
Langford Building A - Room 411, College Station, TX, 77843-3137
Website: http://archone.tamu.edu/College/
Master of Science in Architecture
Master of Science in Construction Science
The Cooper Union
Irwin S. Chanin School of Architecture
Cooper Square, 7 East 7th Street, New York, NY, 10003
Website: http://www.cooper.edu
M.Arch.II
Tulane University
School of Architecture
Richardson Memorial Hall, New Orleans, LA, 70118-5671
Website: http://www.tulane.edu/~tsahome/
Master of Preservation Studies
Université Laval
School of Architecture
1, Cote De La Fabrique, Quebec City, QC, G1K 7P4
Website: http://www.arc.ulaval.ca
M Sc
M Sc (UD)
University At Buffalo, SUNY
School of Architecture & Planning
3435 Main Street, Hayes Hall Rm. 112, Buffalo, NY, 14214-3087
Website: http://www.ap.buffalo.edu/
Master of Architecture II (M.Arch.1.5 / post-professional)
Master of Urban Planning (M.U.P.)
Master of Urban Planning + Juris Doctor (M.U.P. + J.D.)
University of British Columbia
School of Architecture
#402-6333 Memorial Rd, Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z2
Website: http://www.architecture.ubc.ca/
Master of Advanced Studies in Architecture
University of California, Berkeley
Department of Architecture
College of Environmental Design, 232 Wurster Hall, Berkeley, CA, 94720-1800
Website: http://arch.ced.berkeley.edu/
MS Arch
PhD
University of California, Los Angeles
Department of Architecture and Urban Design
1317 Perloff Hall, Los Angeles, CA, 90095-1467
Website: http://www.aud.ucla.edu
M Arch II
MA
PhD
University of Cincinnati
The School of Architecture & Interior Design
College of Design, Architecture, Art, and Planning, P.O. Box 210016, Cincinnati, OH, 45221-0016
Website: http://www.daap.uc.edu/said
MS Architecture
University of Colorado
College of Architecture and Planning
Campus Box 126, P.O. Box 173364, Denver, CO, 80217-3364
Website: http://www.cudenver.edu/Academics/Colleges/ArchitecturePlanning/Default.htm
Master of Urban and Regional Planning
University of Idaho
Department of Architecture & Interior Design
College of Art and Architecture, Moscow, ID, 83844-2451
Website: http://www.caa.uidaho.edu/arch
Master of Science in Architecture
University of Illinois at Chicago
School of Architecture
M/C 030, 3100 A &B, 845 West Harrison, Room 3100, Chicago, IL, 60607
Website: http://www.arch.uic.edu/index.php
MS Arch
MS Health Design
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
School of Architecture
117 Temple Hoyne Buell Hall, 611 Taft Drive, Champaign, IL, 61820-6921
Website: http://www.arch.uiuc.edu
MS in Arch Studies
Doctor of Philosophy in Architecture
University of Kansas
School of Architecture & Urban Planning
205 Marvin Hall, 1465 Jayhawk Blvd., Lawrence, KS, 66045-2250
Website: http://www.saup.ku.edu/
MA Arch
PhD
University of Maryland
School of Architecture, Planning & Preservation
College Park, MD, 20742-1411
Website: http://www.arch.umd.edu
MS Arch--<2 years
M HISP
M CP
M Real Estate Dev
Urban and Regional Planning and Design
University of Michigan
A. Alfred Taubman College of Arch. & Urban Planning
2000 Bonisteel Blvd, Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2069
Website: http://www.caup.umich.edu/
Master of Science
Doctoral Program in Architecture
University of Minnesota
College of Design
101 Rapson Hall, 89 Church St. SE, Minneapolis, MN, 55455
Website: http://arch.cdes.umn.edu/index.html
M.S. in Architecture-Sustainable Design
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
College of Architecture
232 Architecture Hall West, Lincoln, NE, 68588-0107
Website: http://archweb.unl.edu
Master of Science in Architecture
PhD
Master of Community and Regional Planning
University of Notre Dame
School of Architecture
110 Bond Hall, Notre Dame, IN, 46556
Website: http://architecture.nd.edu
M.ADU
University of Oklahoma
College of Architecture
830 Van Vleet Oval, Gould Hall, Rm 162, Norman, OK, 73019-0265
Website: http://arch.ou.edu/
Master of Science in Architectural Urban Studies
M Arch--1 year
M.S. Construction Administration
University of Pennsylvania
Department of Architecture
207 Meyerson Hall, 210 South 34th Street, Philadelphia, PA, 19104-6311
Website: http://williambraham.net
PhD
MS
University of South Florida
School of Architecture & Community Design
HMS301, 4202 E. Fowler Avenue, Tampa, FL, 33620
Website: http://www.arch.usf.edu
M Arch--2 years
University of Southern California
School of Architecture
University Park, Watt Hall - Room 204, Los Angeles, CA, 90089-0291
Website: http://arch.usc.edu
Master of Architecture Post Professional
Ph.D. in Architecture
Master of Historic Preservation
Master of Building Science
University of Tennessee-Knoxville
College of Architecture & Design
1715 Volunteer Boulevard, Rm 224, Knoxville, TN, 37996-2400
Website: http://www.arch.utk.edu
M. Arch II post-professional
University of Toronto
John H. Daniels Faculty of Architecture, Landscape, and Design
230 College Street, Toronto, ON, M5T 1R2
Website: http://www.daniels.utoronto.ca
Master of Urban Design (MUD
University of Utah
College of Architecture and Planning
375 S. 1530 E Room 235, Salt Lake City, UT, 84112-9154
Website: http://www.arch.utah.edu
Master of Science in Architecture
Masters of Urban and Metropolitan Planning
University of Virginia
School of Architecture
Campbell Hall, PO Box 400122, Charlottesville, VA, 22904-4122
Website: http://www.arch.virginia.edu/
M Arch--2 years
University of Washington
Department of Architecture
208 Gould Hall, Box 355720, Seattle, WA, 98195-5720
Website: http://depts.washington.edu/archdept/
MS Arch
M Arch -- 1+ year
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
School of Architecture & Urban Planning
Department of Architecture, P.O. Box 413, Milwaukee, WI, 53201
Website: http://www.uwm.edu/SARUP/
Master of Architecture
PhD in Architecture
Virginia Tech
School of Architecture + Design
201 Cowgill Hall (0205), Blacksburg, VA, 24061-0205
Website: http://www.archdesign.vt.edu
M.Arch.1
MS. Arch
PhD Architecture
Washington State University
School of Architecture & Construction Management
P.O. Box 642220, Pullman, WA, 99164-2220
Website: http://www.arch.wsu.edu
Master of Science in Architecture
Washington University in St. Louis
Sam Fox School of Design & Visual Arts / Architecture Programs
Campus Box 1079, One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, 63130-4899
Website: http://www.arch.wustl.edu/
MArch1
Woodbury University
School of Architecture
7500 Glenoaks Blvd, PO Box 7846, Burbank, CA, 91510-7846
Website: http://www.woodbury.edu/s/131/index.aspx?sid=131&gid=1&pgid=1382
M.Arch. RED
Yale University
School of Architecture
P.O. Box 208242 (180 York St.), New Haven, CT, 06520-8242
Website: http://www.architecture.yale.edu/
Ph D Program to begin Fall 2009
M Env Design

archi-flandoUID: 2627119

考执照是个漫长的路...现在工作比较难找..最大的考验不是执照问题而是就业问题了..

shawn1981UID: 2607274

我一个中国同事读的就是upenn1年的March，现在ARE通过2门了。所以比较正规的老八校的学位都应该可以通过Audit。不过AIA和一注好像不能互认，回国其实也是个鸡肋。

benbenlong2009UID: 2626982

请问上面列出的这些学校的这些degree是被NAAB承认还是不承认？

霡霂涟漪UID: 2707044

看了naab 认证list有些疑问，以M Arch--2 years为例，后面标的时间是什么意思？另外以前我听说M Arch I是有认证的，而M Arch II是没有认证的，可list里II也有认证，这是怎么回事？还有如果M Arch I都是认证的话。这里面怎么就这几所学校，这么少？如果我想申请M Arch AP的话，那么有没有认证就看对应学校的M Arch I通没通过认证？

runawaycowUID: 2607004

看了naab 认证list有些疑问，以M Arch--2 years为例，后面标的时间是什么意思？另外以前我听说M Arch I是有认证的，而M Arch II是没有认证的，可list里II也有认证，这是怎么回事？还有如果M Arch I都是认证的话。这里 ...
霡霂涟漪 发表于 2010-7-5 11:06

。。。。建议你仔细看看网站上的说明，很详细的。。。

这个LIST是POST-PROFESSIONAL DEGREE PROGRAMS
List of Approved Post-Professional Degree Programs That Qualify For Supplementary Education

Earning a post-professional degree in architecture after earning a professional degree in architecture from a program accredited by NAAB or CACB. A post-professional degree in architecture received after 1 July 2002, earns 936 training hours in IDP training category D. Credit hours must be in subjects evaluated by NCARB as directly related to architecture.

就是说可以在你注册的时候起加分作用，但是不能代替PROFESSIONAL DEGREE PROGRAMS

http://www.ncarb.org/Studying-Architecture/Difference-Between-NAAB-Accredited-And-Non.aspx
http://www.ncarb.org/en/Experience-Through-Internships/Meeting-NCARB-Experience-Requirements/Supplementary-Education/Post-Professional-Degrees-Overview/Post-Professional-Degree-Programs.aspx

------------------------------Professional Degrees-------------------------------------------------------------------
All professional degrees are awarded through a NAAB-accredited program. The following three types of degrees are acceptable for the satisfaction of the education requirement to become NCARB certified:
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Bachelor of Architecture (B.Arch) degree  
NAAB-accredited degree programs awarding a bachelor’s degree must require a minimum of 150 semester credit hours, or the quarter-hour equivalent, in academic coursework in professional studies and electives.
Master of Architecture (M.Arch) degree
NAAB-accredited degree programs awarding a master’s degree must require a minimum of 168 semester credit hours, or the quarter-hour equivalent, of which 30 semester credit hours, or the quarter-hour equivalent, must be at the graduate level, in academic coursework in professional studies and electives.
Doctor of Architecture (D.Arch) degree
NAAB-accredited degree programs awarding a doctorate must require an undergraduate baccalaureate degree or a minimum of 120 undergraduate semester credit hours, or the undergraduate-level quarter-hour equivalent, and a minimum of 90 graduate-level semester credit hours, or the graduate-level quarter-hour equivalent, in academic coursework in professional studies and electives.


------------------------------------Non-Professional Degrees----------------------------------
If you have a non-professional degree, you will need additional education to earn an NCARB Certificate.

These degrees include:

Bachelor of Science (BS) in Architectural Studies degrees, Bachelor of Arts (BA) in Architecture degrees, Bachelor of Environmental Design degrees, etc.
These types of degrees are often referred to as pre-professional degrees because they are the prerequisite requirement for admission to many master of architecture programs.

Graduate degrees in specialized areas of study often completed by students who have already obtained a professional degree in architecture
These types of degrees are often referred to as post-professional degrees in architecture.

If your program earned NAAB accreditation within in two years after your graduation, your degree may be considered professional.

These degrees may not satisfy individual U.S. jurisdiction requirements for licensure. Individual requirements vary and you should contact your jurisdiction for specific education requirements.

------------------------------------Additional Education-----------------------------------------------------
Students, particularly those who have obtained a professional degree from a foreign institution, who are seeking a professional degree in order to apply for NCARB certification should ensure that the degree is a professional degree and that the program is accredited by NAAB.  

Contact NAAB with questions about NAAB-accredited programs and professional degrees.