0910G【Try Best】第二小组 第三次作业 issue144 by 许浩杰

许浩杰UID: 2644623

TOPIC: ISSUE144 - "It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."

*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
WORDS: 609
TIME: 02:31:08
DATE: 2009-6-5 22:05:02

The speaker asserts that it is the artist, not the critic, who gives society something of lasting value. I totally disagree with speaker's assertion, because he/she overlooked the definition of lasting value and then he/she have no access to make any comment to the value of the critic.

Firstly, what does the paraphrase--something of lasting value--means? Is it something of pragmatic, something of truth, or just something of wonderful? These things above are all somewhat partial or even wrongheaded. Something of lasting value should refer to whatever can give people a hand when dealing with some certain questions. Some romantic ideas also gives us something of lasting value, for example, Taj Mahal in India were built by one king who just wanted to memory his beloved wife, actually it is the majestic tomb that reminds us the great love of the king to his wife and that informs us how adroit the craftsmen of India at that times are. No one would disagree with the point that it is a beauty of lasting value forever.

Given the definition of last value we can judge whether the speaker's assertion is true. Admittly, I concede that the most of comments set by critic are restrained by many factors, such as the level of their education, their personal experience, and the confined conventions at their era. So, after some time, we may find out that their comments are not so perfect when we read these comments again. Consider that a faddish idea given by one famous critic and so do many people think like that, however, finally , whether people will rebut severely the critic when the idea turn out to be wrong? It is the critic at that time thought Vincent Van Gogh's paintings are just rubbish that led the public to consider so. Now, doubtlessly, Van Gogh's paintings are always masterpieces on any list of greatest paintings in the history. Let's have a deeper retrospection to the critic of that times, can we say they are such stupid that they overlook Van Gogh's painting. No, certainly we can't. The minds of Human being are improving continually with the lapse of time, maybe during Van Gogh's age these critic are indeed true but now we have known that they are wrong. Something of lasting value giving by these critic lies here, that is, their wrong ideas make us learn that aesthetic is depend by history and this point will help us become fairer once encounting such these things as evaluating novels, films and music, paintings, etc. The lasting value of comments given by any critic is that the comments give us some experience or opinion rather than whether it is true or not.

When it comes to the comments on each book's preface, they are listed by experts, journalists, or some other celebrities--for this book, without any doubt ,they are critic in some certain sense-- then they are printed by the publisher of this book. Inevitably, some of them will turn out to be wrong just like the situation of Van Gogh, but for this point we would not consider this book is not insightful and the publisher is stupid due to that we all know that the comments given by these critic are just his/her viewpoint and they only inform us what this book is like in some expert's eye. As for what this book is like on earth, it is totally depend on you, the reader of this book.

In sum, the speaker suffers the flaw that he/she makes a assertion blindly. If the definition of lasting value is clear--something of lasting value should refer to whatever can give people a hand when dealing with some certain questions--both the artist and critic give society something of lasting value

tianshi02UID: 2362794

思路很好，先定义lasting value再根据定义来讨论the critic的作用。
Van Gogh的例子也很好，落到了" The lasting value of comments given by any critic is that the comments give us some experience or opinion".
但是国王的例子给出的结论是：No one would disagree with the point that it is a beauty of lasting value forever. 这个似乎是在用common sense的lasting value 的定义，而不是你的精确定义： whatever can give people a hand 。
同理， comments on book's preface的段落，也没有刻意的去扣这个定义，感觉有点跑题。

wangyao735UID: 2629777

怎么有两个人给你评呢？*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.
WORDS: 609
TIME: 02:31:08
DATE: 2009-6-5 22:05:02

The speaker asserts that it is the artist, not the critic, who gives society something of lasting value. I totally disagree with speaker's assertion, because he/she overlooked the definition of lasting value and then he/she have no access to make any comment to the value of the critic.

Firstly, what does the paraphrase--something of lasting value--means? Is it something of pragmatic, something of truth, or just something of wonderful? These things above are all somewhat partial or even wrongheaded. Something of lasting value should refer to whatever can give people a hand when dealing with some certain questions. Some romantic ideas also gives us something of lasting value, for example, Taj Mahal in India were built by one king who just wanted to memory his beloved wife, actually it is the majestic tomb that reminds us the great love of the king to his wife and that informs us how adroit the craftsmen of India at that times are. No one would disagree with the point that it is a beauty of lasting value forever.
蓝色是错误的地方，例如拼写一类的
Given the definition of last value we can judge whether he speaker's assertion is true. Admittedly I concede that the most of comments set by critic are restrained by many factors, such as the level of their education, their personal experience, and the confined conventions at their era. So, after some time, we may find out that their comments are not so perfect when we read these comments again. Consider that a faddish idea given by one famous critic and so do many people think like that, however, finally , whether people will rebut severely the critic when the idea turn out to be wrong? It is the critic at that time thought Vincent Van Gogh's paintings are just rubbish that led the public to consider so. Now, doubtlessly, Van Gogh's paintings are always masterpieces on any list of greatest paintings in the history. Let's have a deeper retrospection to the critic of that times, can we say they are such stupid that they overlook Van Gogh's painting. No, certainly we can't. The minds of Human being are improving continually with the lapse of time, maybe during Van Gogh's age these critic are indeed true but now we have known that they are wrong. Something of lasting value giving by these critic lies here, that is, their wrong ideas make us learn that aesthetic is depend by history and this point will help us become fairer once encountering such these things as evaluating novels, films and music, paintings, etc. The lasting value of comments given by any critic is that the comments give us some experience or opinion rather than whether it is true or not.

When it comes to the comments on each book's preface, they are listed by experts, journalists, or some other celebrities--for this book, without any doubt ,they are critic in some certain sense-- then they are printed by the publisher of this book. Inevitably, some of them will turn out to be wrong just like the situation of Van Gogh, but for this point we would not consider this book is not insightful and the publisher is stupid due to that we all know that the comments given by these critic are just his/her viewpoint and they only inform us what this book is like in some expert's eye. As for what this book is like on earth, it is totally depend on you, the reader of this book.

In sum, the speaker suffers the flaw that he/she makes a assertion blindly. If the definition of lasting value is clear--something of lasting value should refer to whatever can give people a hand when dealing with some certain questions--both the artist and critic give society something of lasting value
我只给你改了一些单词上的错误，语法上的在word 上显示有很多但是我觉得不是很好改，估计我改完就成我的作文了。所以只有你自己看下了。
总的来说你的文章的立意还是很好的，不过论证的力度不够。你的一二段的点是一样的只是一个在说画一个是小说罢了，但是在实质上基本一样对吗？
我根据我的理解来分析你的思路哈，因为我们恰好是相同的观点。
论点：作者忽略的评论家的重要性。
1、        到底什么是持久价值。这个地方你给了一个定义，来为后面提到评论家的作用做了铺垫。这个地方写得很好哦。值得学习。
但是你提到泰姬陵这个地方就有点怪了，这个好像不是一个可以帮你论证你想法的点吧，我的论点不是评论家也很重要吗？你这样写感觉比较跳。至少我的看这个地方的时候是这样的。
2、        这段是该论证评论家的的持久价值呢? 就算最后他的评论是错误的但是他给了我们意见和经验这是你的想法对吗？但是你话了太多时间去写评论家的反面去了。感觉这个让步让的太过了。都不知道你的主题是什么了。
3、        错误和第三一样
想法很好但是在逻辑结构上在好好考虑一下。可以弄个逻辑简图以后在写。