欧洲本科双学位即将毕业，正在寻找欧洲研究生

陈筱蓝UID: 3563938

学校背景：法国Ieseg School of Management, 德国European Business School 双学位
成绩：大学前两年专业课成绩top5%
课程：第三年, 成绩还未知：Portfolio Management
Derivatives and Risk Management
Econometrics
IMB SPSS Statistics
Leadership
Human Resource Management
Ethics
Law & Economics
Economic Foundation of Finance
Money, Banking and Financial Market
Capital Markets: Institutions, Pricing and Risk Management
Private Equity-Fundamentals
第二年：Advanced Financial Accounting
Accounting & Control
Microeconomics
International Economics 2
Market and Economic Conjuncture
Finance Fundamentals
Investment
Corporate Finance and Real-Estate
Marketing Management
Marketing Research
Operation Management
Strategy as Theory and Practice
Business & Society
Inferential Statistics
Business law
Business English
Academic Writing
German
其中，红色的课程为满分或者将近满分
GRE：Q170，V142 (好像没见过V比我更低的了=。=）Writing 3.5
paper：写过literature review，主题为calendar anomalies，但是没有发表。
科研：无
获奖：无
推荐信：Ieseg副教授，里尔二大经济学博士，Ieseg副教授，英国华威大学金融学博士
其他：其实也不清楚到底是读经济，金融还是应用数学。个人偏向于应用数学，但是德国或者法国的大部分专业都是当地语言授课，之前一直没有计划到这个专业，所以语言迟迟没有考，现在有些后悔。但是金融或者经济这两个专业也是比较喜欢，或者是quantitative economics and finance，能够兼顾到所有，但是提供的学校很少很少。深知不能面面俱到，总有得失，所以希望大家给我一些建议和意见。

cheesechanUID: 3505689

1. GRE發還重考, 除非閣下所申請之課程明言完全不看V.
2. I believe that your background is far from mathematical enough for any solid master in econ, not to mention anything quantitative.
3. Doing applied mathematics at graduate level will be a super long shot (i.e. dreaming) given your information stated (not because your language, but your academic background).

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-12 09:00
1. GRE發還重考, 除非閣下所申請之課程明言完全不看V.
2. I believe that your background is far from ma ...

EBS is one of the best business school in German, and ranks 14th by Financial Times while Ieseg is the No. 7th in France, 21th in Financial Times. I don't know what do you mean by "academic background"? Do you mean I cannot be accepted by the solid master of economics programs because of my curriculum settings or because my school reputation is not high?

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-12 09:00
1. GRE發還重考, 除非閣下所申請之課程明言完全不看V.
2. I believe that your background is far from ma ...

I forget to say Thank you just now. By the way, most German Graduate schools state that only Q will be taken into account.

shiropikaUID: 3575805

他不是说你学校烂 是说你数学课上得太浅太少了

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shiropika 发表于 2015-1-12 18:59
他不是说你学校烂 是说你数学课上得太浅太少了

太淺太少? no no no.
我是根本找不到一個math的課. ar, 有了, 有一個econometrics, 還有一個stat, 不過數學課呢?


To OP:
學校排名怎樣, 就不多說: 反正排名不夠高的, 申請時便向下數.
but when given you are from a business school, you are already far from anything solid, unless when you did not have something like a second major / minor in math/stat.

老實說, 歐陸在econ & fina, or quant eco & fina的好/OK的master, 我可以數到一大堆 - but that's mostly not for you.
Be realitic, and try a MSc Fina in a business school. More likely you will be admitted, and still lead to a decent career path.
If you really want something quantitative / academic, be ready to spend one more year time on a diploma / extra year somewhere to make up your background. (其實我想說....還是回家洗洗睡的..especially for applied math)

P.S.:
如果樓主打算申econ, where is in mic / in mac, multi-calculus & linear algebra?
If some quantitative, where is multi-calculus, lin algebra, and som more advanced master stat course (e.g. time series, inference, stochastic, numerical, ODE, ...not to mention real analysis)

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陈筱蓝 发表于 2015-1-12 18:00
EBS is one of the best business school in German, and ranks 14th by Financial Times while Ieseg is ...

academic background 99% 是指你的科目而非學校.
基本上所有solid master in econ / anything quantative都有本科科目要求, which you don't have.
我合理地懷疑with such a soft background, 就算是哈佛耶魯/oxbridge去申也很有難度.

P.S. but you have to know:
1. for france, there're quite a huge gap between top 5 and those after
2. for german.......they dont really buy the way of doing a study in businesss.

shiropikaUID: 3575805

楼上亲说的太尖锐了> <

简单说就是申请之前，你有一些外系的课先要去上：比如linear algebra ，Calculus ，Probability and statistics， Differential Equations；<-这些基本是必须的

然后还有实分析啦时间序列啦随机过程啦这些，上一门申请加一分。

另外注重Q不代表不看V——毕竟在海量的申请人中，很多软条件比来比去没办法strictly dominated，这种硬分数正好可以拿来凑标杆。

最后：珍爱生命，远离纯数，除非你爱它爱得深沉——问题是不提前听个几门Math PhD core你是不知道这玩意有多深沉的……

sleeps0ftUID: 3538795

我一直怀疑数学对申请到底是真有那么大用还是国人比较数学崇拜……

据我所知日本人的话即使是纯理论研究的本科时代一般也只有线代1&2，微积分1&2，概率统计，连各种最优化也不一定去特别开课学（比如or），微分方程测度论泛函etc根本不会碰，最多听听summer camp这还是不可能反应在成绩单上的

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sleeps0ft 发表于 2015-1-12 22:54
我一直怀疑数学对申请到底是真有那么大用还是国人比较数学崇拜……

据我所知日本人的话即使是纯理论研究 ...

for this case: 你列了六門基本數統課，樓主讀過一門。

in general: master問題可能少一點, but when you go to PhD, it is commonly heard that Chinese are competing with Chinese, using other ethical groups as example may not be suitable.

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shiropika 发表于 2015-1-12 22:12
楼上亲说的太尖锐了> <

简单说就是申请之前，你有一些外系的课先要去上：比如linear algebra ，Calculu ...

我列的數學要求已經是基本版本的了.

junior year level的calculus, linear algebra, prob, stat, 這四樣是必須的 - 樓主只有一個.
以歐陸慣例(also canada), 極看重專業對口. econ的話, 很多時候都必須本科也是讀經濟的.
中微中宏計量是必須. 樓主只有一個.
搞quantitative, 除了基礎的數學, time series, stochastic process, numerical, ODE等等很重要, 不求有齊全部但也該讀了大半.
如果是applied math的話, 本科不是數學(or phy/engine)的話, 省口氣.

的確有master in econ是不用in mic/mac的, 但:
1. then 必須要有strong quantiative background
2. 水, master core的micro macro根本不是graduate level.
就我記憶中看過的econ master沒幾個例外.

尖銳? 不算太了, 我還是覺得應該直接一點, 指出缺了甚麼. (我的尖銳版本會是: 學商的數學渣, 說到academic econ/fina就節省一點!! 別浪費時間 <--不過留一點口德不說而矣.)
興趣不夠不想補回的, 別浪費時間發夢, find another way to achieve the goal;
真的想做這條路的, 找個方法讀多一年補回 (as OP is in last year already, 而且樓主的學校兩間都是stand alone business school, 有幾多數學課可選都是疑問)

如果我沒看漏的話, 樓主是連intro macro都沒有的.
另一個現實的做法是, leave EU, 考慮US/UK, 那邊會有較多的學校, 卡背景卡得沒那麼嚴. 尤其是英美二三線的那一堆, 有錢就方便很多.

P.S. 關於GRE V, 樓主是對的, 的確見過好幾家德國的學校, 明言只看Q不看V.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-12 23:13
for this case: 你列了六門基本數統課，樓主讀過一門。

in general: master問題可能少一點, but whe ...

你这个解释绕回来了啊
中国人申请要数学是因为别的中国人有数学
但别的中国人为什么有数学，难道不是因为ta觉得申请要数学吗

所以归结源头，为什么会有一堆认为经济要数学的中国人去选了数学然后申请搞得其他中国人军事竞赛起来了

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sleeps0ft 发表于 2015-1-13 00:07
你这个解释绕回来了啊
中国人申请要数学是因为别的中国人有数学
但别的中国人为什么有数学，难道不是因 ...

這樣說吧, 經濟學以數學為工具, 不同範疇用到的工具在難度和種類均有差別.
而美制之下, econ grad school大都是先由ad com統一處理.
歐制is another case - need master for PhD, and have strict discipline requirement for admission in master.

相比中國(maybe also india)和西方的教育體制, 無疑中國的申請人整體上數理能力較優勝, 而同時亦很難有其他的突出點(e.g. 搞較soft的方向就類例social sci, 這個對語言和文化的要求, 和local比就慘了; 在內地讀書的, 學校很多都不夠國際化, refereence letter就此game over), 於是mathematics become the selling point. 當然不少海外讀本科, 或在港澳加等地出生的華人家庭會略有不同, 但數量關係, 基本盤如此, 估計連負責取錄的教授對華人申請者也會有較高的mathematics expectation. <---- i mean for average of the appliant, the whole picture, but not one or two exceptions...

個人的看法是, bare minimum是calculus + linear + prob + stat + regression (maybe also a bit optimization), 之後外加其有興趣方向之相關應用工具.


特此澄清:
當然, 以上討論純指某些變態級別的數學要求建議, 和樓主的case無關.

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shiropika 发表于 2015-1-12 18:59
他不是说你学校烂 是说你数学课上得太浅太少了

难道高数现代这种基础课程还要罗列嘛？？？OMG，我大一就是上这些的，也都是接近满分的成绩=。=

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-12 21:12
太淺太少? no no no.
我是根本找不到一個math的課. ar, 有了, 有一個econometrics, 還有一個stat, 不過 ...

I didn't list the base courses such as calculus,linear algebra. Don't you think it is the basic tool that will be used in the later on courses?