ICMA的ISIB， EXETER的FAFM，爱大的FI，曼大的Finance 如何抉择？求解析

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ICMA的ISIB， EXETER的FAFM，爱大的FI，曼大的Finance 如何抉择？求解析
都是英国的MSc金融硕士，有意向往投行基金等方向发展，回国，不知道选哪个啊！没经验也没渠道问到业内人士，求搭救！

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求解答，真的找不到信息，求助！

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UP  1

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回国进投行...感觉这几个项目都不够...

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Equally useless / not enough, i.e. choose the cheaper one out Edinburgh or Manchester, as people will heard of the city of Edinburgh and the football team of Manchester United.

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-9-28 17:13
Equally useless / not enough, i.e. choose the cheaper one out Edinburgh or Manchester, as people wil ...

何处此言？这些学校都在投行的target school list里面啊。请问哪些才算有用？

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waterskop 发表于 2015-9-28 09:16
回国进投行...感觉这几个项目都不够...

那哪些比较够？？？真心问

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gxhereiam 发表于 2015-9-28 20:17
何处此言？这些学校都在投行的target school list里面啊。请问哪些才算有用？

are you sure!?.............target school list should be quite obvious, which is kind of hard to make it wrong. (and thus I will doubt your searching and research skills indeed...)

As far as I know, NONE of them are in the target school list of BB for London FO, not to mention back in mainland China.

Put aside visa concern, for London BB FO, LBS, Oxbridge, LSE, IC, UCL, Warwick; Cass count as at most half; and then some top European business school comes afterwards (e.g. HEC, Bocconi, SSE, HSG and etc...), may be also a couple of France engineering school too. For other 2nd tier school (in view of finance), only outliers will make it and thus they aren't called target (targets are schools that nearly all banks will go for campus recruitment talk and sometimes also on-campus interview)
If back in mainland China, since people all knows that how UK education earns $$, the later part of this list can be dropped.

P.S. make it clear: it is always easy to find a few candidates getting in BB from non-target school. There are one / two definitely, but stick with the overall picture. I saw tons of statistics from various source online years before, and I guess it won't change that fast.....

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-9-28 21:03
are you sure!?.............target school list should be quite obvious, which is kind of hard to  ...

你误会了。我说的target school是在投行的申请系统里，填写学校那里的下拉条有相应的学校可以选到。不是说投行们会去那个学校招人。不过你说的target schools也基本就是金融界顶级的了。。。
不过ICMA也很不错啊，（牛津大学，剑桥大学，伦敦政经学院，帝国理工学院，华威大学，伦敦城市大学，雷丁大学ICMA中心并称为“英国金融专业七驾马车”）。课程设置也很棒，只是READING的排名真的有点低。
EXETER的FAFM专业读完就CFA2级了，我觉得也挺好的。
爱大和曼大，我就是觉得世界排名挺高的，而且商学院也都是CFA partner，而且还是3重认证，教学质量估计都不会差吧。只是真的相对于你说的LSE, LBS, OXBRIDGE这些，自然是Low了一个level，但是也不至于useless吧。:dizzy:

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gxhereiam 发表于 2015-9-28 21:57
你误会了。我说的target school是在投行的申请系统里，填写学校那里的下拉条有相应的学校可以选到。

well, basically every university (which is not dumb) is in the list of the application system. If someone really know even a bit about the industry, one won't even refer to that list.

gxhereiam 发表于 2015-9-28 21:57
不过ICMA也很不错啊，（牛津大学，剑桥大学，伦敦政经学院，帝国理工学院，华威大学，伦敦城市大学，雷丁大学ICMA中心并称为“英国金融专业七驾马车”）。课程设置也很棒，只是READING的排名真的有点低。

七驾马车....hahahahahahahahahahahaha............sorry really cannot held laughing
for sure, ICMA does provide some qualified education, so? who cares?
Finance is not a hard science / engineering subject. Things are easy, and thus big banks usually consider students from all discipline. the most important stuffs to get one to the door is not about the modeling / etc.. learnt in lecture, but other soft skills (put quant fina out of the picture first). If there are anything useful for job searching, it will be programming (at least VBA, familiar with Excel & PowerPoint are assumed), which is normally not a core part of most MSc Finance.
well, if one plan to stay in UK, that's a bit useful, but do you think Readings + finance are enough for getting the visa for internationals?

gxhereiam 发表于 2015-9-28 21:57
EXETER的FAFM专业读完就CFA2级了，我觉得也挺好的。

Seriously I doubt if you really know how CFA works.....not to mention if you had read their website in details...
CFA partners program = cover at least 70% of CFA I & II, but not "读完就CFA2级", i.e. spending (i.e. wasting) time on some exam that other can be done on self-study basis.

gxhereiam 发表于 2015-9-28 21:57
爱大和曼大，我就是觉得世界排名挺高的，而且商学院也都是CFA partner，而且还是3重认证，教学质量估计都不会差吧

who cares about the if they are CFA partner, accreditation and education quality?
Accreditation? well, they are just for 2nd/3rd/... tier school to show that they are not wild chicken. (e.g. who cares how many accreditation LBS/Said/Judge have?)
the only important concern of a MSc Finance is the title of the school, yes, the title, if the title is enough to get you to the door of interview.
Edinburgh and Manchester are the only choice in your list they have a decent global ranking, and at least they are heard of somehow though not because of the university.
Finance is a very competitive industry (and they don't hire much people), especially if one is talking about some core position in IB / funds......everything that's not 1st tier is not enough. (they maybe enough to bring you into some....um..back office role maybe, well middle one maybe possible too, but then why one need such a master in that case?)

Conclusion: Dream enough already, and about time to come back to the reality.

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这几个项目中，能勉强达到提升一下背景的，扎扎实实学一年的，大概只有后两个项目，而现实确实很残酷，你必须做到成为这两个项目中的outlier，不然基本离券商，基金公司遥远，回国大概期望值有很大概率低于TOP4的那几个金融硕士，我看知乎上说，大概拿着爱大硕士文凭投TOP10的券商，10个能有一个面试。。但你如果有心，就去太傻看那个爱大FI的前辈的帖子，非常详细，国内外找工作，具体怎么找到这个帖子，看你了~~

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treemantan 发表于 2015-9-29 03:23
这几个项目中，能勉强达到提升一下背景的，扎扎实实学一年的，大概只有后两个项目，而现实确实很残酷，你必 ...

Given OP don't have any internship expereince (有的話就不會"没经验也没渠道问到业内人士")
and don't even know what target school is...........
and don't even mention about division (or job nature interested), but buy & sell side all together
=> I guess it is more likely for OP to become the lower on instead of topper one if OP is really an outlier......


and this is finance, not financial mathematics (and thus technical interview are no longer the biggest barrier), 學習的內容是重要但絕對不是大部份. At the end financial modeling, 課堂上可以教的就教了, 但是practically how to adjust it to various business reason are difficult to learn in class, and thus networking and internship are super important.
=> "扎扎实实学一年" is just a part of the story, but far away from the full picture.

P.S. "拿着爱大硕士文凭投TOP10的券商，10个能有一个面试" <--- I guess this ratio really depends much on which school one did his/her bachelor too...maybe more than where one did the master...

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cheesechan 发表于 2015-9-29 04:49
Given OP don't have any internship expereince (有的話就不會"没经验也没渠道问到业内人士")
and do ...

你懂得挺多的，很感谢你的答复！
但是纠正几点：我还是有实习过的，三个，只是没有在投行基金实习过，所以没这方面的经验，而且就算实习过，接触的东西也不会很深。自然还是要借鉴一下别人的经验嘛~第二，我没有提及division,是因为我暂时还不知道往具体的哪个方向发展，因为无论是buy side, sell side，我都有兴趣。第三，其实finance也并非完全就在说一些理论的东西，现在很多课程设置都是挺Quantitative, 并且也有很多选修课。如果是 financial risk management的话，还有programming这些。第四，读完就直接能和工作无缝衔接的program是不存在的吧，肯定需要时间和努力去把课堂上学到的东西apply到工作里面。不过据我了解，ICMA的program就有很多投行实操，这个也是我比较倾向的点。target school，只是说法不同而已，何必纠结。难道发个帖子问一下有经验的人就是很Low吗。。。:L

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treemantan 发表于 2015-9-29 03:23
这几个项目中，能勉强达到提升一下背景的，扎扎实实学一年的，大概只有后两个项目，而现实确实很残酷，你必 ...

其实后两个名气比较大一点，但是EXETER的FAFM是专业为过CFA1,2级设置的，课程时间也是根据CFA考试时间设置，往届的都说用心点读，差不多毕业也就CFA2级了。所以我觉得这个课程应该还是挺有质量的吧。ICMA就是投行实操，和工作的衔接毕竟紧密。之前搜帖子也看到说投行在target school里专门把ICMA和CASS列出来当选项，所以可见其分量。（也不知道这个帖子是真是假）。爱大和曼大，完全就是名气响亮，教学质量我就不知道了。FI貌似是爱大商学院的招牌（又是在某个帖子看到的）看到了CHEESECHAN的回复，我怎么突然觉得这4个项目都好渣哈哈（无奈）。毕竟和他列的LSE,LBS，牛剑，IC这些相比，确实不值一提。这个得认。