issue157 自我感觉良好的一篇，有拍必回

udoUID: 2114276

157"There is no such thing as purely objective observation. All observation is subjective; it is always guided by the observer's expectations or desires."

这篇写得自我感觉良好，大家帮忙看看，有拍必回

提纲
观点：
1不存在完全的客观观察，观察必然受观察者自身习惯、测量工具和描述语言的运用三个因素的影响。并把三个因素分别展开。
2虽然不存在完全客观的观察，但是我们在观察的时候仍然追求尽可能的客观尤其是在科学研究领域。
3主观和客观是观察的两个重要属性。本段主要是平衡一下论点。

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Although completely objectivity is an unattainable ideal, may be even a delusion, scientists are do their utmost to observe in objective way in order to obtain more reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature. In my opinion, objectivity and subjectivity are both important qualities to observation, therefore it is not justifiable to simply separate them. I contend that there is no purely objective observation and subjectivity, which involves the observer’s feeling, experience and knowledge, exists in any observation.

Unbiased observation is a sham, for the act of observing itself, which is impacted mainly by two factors discussed below, alters what we are observing. As a result, it is difficult to find such thing as purely objective observation. There are three main factors that impede the objective observations: observer's personal habit, measurement used in observing process and the use of descriptive languages. Firstly, the observer's expectations and desires force the observation to seek out certain facts that strongly supports their assumption or fulfill their benefit mostly, and unconsciously overlook others. Secondly, how you set about measuring something determines the final result of the observation. For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. Nothing been perceived does not necessarily mean nothing existed. Thirdly, every observer must discern and extrapolate information about what they have observed in descriptive languages based on previous knowledge, experience and self-condition. For example, it must appear different choices of words which depict colors between ordinary people and color blindness. Then, it is obvious that there is no purely objective observation.

Nevertheless, even though there is no purely objective observation, we still are aiming at pursuing objectivity. The more "objective" the observation, the more solidly it approaches the real truth, especially in the scientific research area. The researchers always make efforts to perceive data without being distorted by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations. Therefore, the comparatively objective results of observation can be verifiable by other observers. Then the results will be the reality on firm ground and can be accepted by more researchers.

Moreover, as it turns out, the observers who represent subjectivity and the observed which is objective are two equally important aspects in the process of observation. Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition between them. We've been tailoring our discoveries of "objective" realities, to suit our predilections to fit our composite "subjective" reality and to conform to our paradigm. In fact, reality is neither "objective" nor "subjective." Together they comprise the reality we realized and both are equally important in its composition. What we subjectively put in is as important as the objective component. Objective observation collects original materials, while subjective factors such as observers’ expectations or desires help reveal the meanings behind them. Without objectivity, observation is completely imagination, while without subjectivity there is no observation at all.

To sum up, it is the objectivity and subjectivity that are two main characteristics of observation. Neither pure objectivity nor complete subjectivity exists. Not only can observation be influenced by subjective factors listed above, but also must be objective if we are to embrace more fundamental notion of knowledge and truth exist.

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Although completely objectivity is an unattainable ideal, may be even a delusion, scientists are trying to observe in a more objective way in order to obtain the most reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature. In my opinion, objectivity and subjectivity are both important qualities to observation, therefore it is not justifiable to simply seperate them.

Unbiased observation is a sham, for the act of observing itself alters what we are observing. As a result, it is difficult to find such thing as purely objective observation. There are three main factors which influence the objectivity of observing results: observer's personal habit, measurement used in observing process and the use of descriptive languages. Firstly, the observer's expectations and desires force the observation to go to a certain direction which will strongly supports the observer's assumption or fulfill the observer's benefit mostly. Secondly, how you set about measuring something determines the final result of the observation. For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. Thirdly, every observer must discern and extrapolate information about what they have observed in descriptive languages based on previous knowledge, experience and self condition. For example, it must appear different expressions of color between ordinary people and color blindness. In a word, it is too arbitrary to assert that there exists purely objective observation.

Nevertheless, even though there is no purely objective observation, we still are aiming at pursuing objectivity. The more "objective" the observation, the more solidly it approach the real truth, especially in the scientific research area. The researchers always make efforts to perceive data without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations. Therefore, the comparatively objective results of observation can be verifiable by other observers. Then the results will be the reality on firm ground and can be accepted by more researchers. Although someone may argue that in the art area objective is a mission impossible, we cannot neglect the fact that the art works must  be loyalty to the substantial world which is objective.

Moreover, as it turns out, the observers who represent subjectivity and the observed which is objective are two equally important aspects in the process of observation. Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition before them. We've been tailoring our discoveries of "objective" realities to suit our predilections to fit our composite "subjective" reality and to conform to our paradigm. Perhaps, in fact, reality is neither "objective" nor "subjective." Together they comprise the reality we know and both are equally important in its composition. What we subjectively put in is as important as the objective component. Subjective and objective are equally important.

To sum up, it is the objectivity and subjectivity that are two main characteristics of observation. Neither pure objectivity nor complete subjectivity exists. Observation not only can be objective but must be subjective if we are to embrace the more fundamental notion of knowledge and truth exist.

[ Last edited by udo on 2005-8-4 at 01:09 ]

love-yogurtUID: 171347

第一段中：scientists are trying to observe in a more objective way in order to obtain the most reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature.前面是a more objective way , 后面也应该是a more reliable evidence

第二段中：For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. 这个例子举的不够贴切。例子中是不能用这些工具观察。我觉得如果举一个例子说用的工具不够精确，所以观察出来的误差大，比较好。

第三段中： (1)the more solidly it approach the real truth 这个solidly用得不好。可以用 the closer...(2)Although someone may argue that in the art area objective is a mission impossible, we cannot neglect the fact that the art works must  be loyalty to the substantial world which is objective.艺术本身就是subjective的，很多art works都根本不忠实于the substantial world。Some artists - perhaps the best artists - are accomplished enough in the use of their medium to be able to work by virtue of their intuition, their instinct and their sense of what looks and feels right .  They might not even be consciously aware of the precise meaning of these things. They are loyal to their own intuition rather than the substantial world. 艺术这一点，还是不要写了。

第四段中：Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition before[between！] them.

帮我看看我的吧，也是这道题。我基本是把你的第二段展开说了。
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G10T5UID: 2101393

Although completely objectivity is an unattainable ideal, may be even a delusion, scientists are trying to observe in a more objective way (more不是很好，do their utmost to 尽量做) in order to obtain the most （这里用more好） reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature. In my opinion, objectivity and subjectivity are both important qualities to observation, therefore it is not justifiable to simply seperate（这个词很容易写错，separate） them. 你的观点是什么？是论证主观和客观都很重要吗？这和题目不是很吻合。虽然你在开头用一个Although暗含了你认同作者的观点，但最好明确指出来。所以你应该说我同意纯粹的客观是不存在的，任何客观观察中都还有主观因素。但是这些主观因素同样是有益的。

Unbiased observation is a sham, for the act of observing itself alters what we are observing. （这句TS和后面不符，后面没有论证观察行为本身是怎样改变观察对象的，而只是列举了几个影响观察结果的因素。）As a result, it is difficult to find such thing as purely objective observation. There are three main factors which influence the objectivity of observing results （换个说法，impede the objective observations）: observer's personal habit, measurement （and description languages）used in observing process and the use of descriptive languages. Firstly, the observer's expectations and desires force the observation to go to a certain direction （方向可以支持观点吗？to seek out certain facts that …, and simply or unconsciously overlook others.） which will strongly supports the observer's assumption or fulfill the observer's benefit mostly（怎么有这么多observer啊，可以用代词；）. Secondly, how you set about measuring something determines the final result of the observation（后面的例子只是说明了需要选择合适的测量工具，而没有涉及测量对观测结果的影响。）. For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. Thirdly, every observer must discern and extrapolate information about what they have observed in descriptive languages based on previous knowledge, experience and self condition （我觉得还不如不说语言，而直接说背景知识等等。）. For example, it must appear different expressions of color between ordinary people and color blindness （这个和语言也无关）. In a word, it is too arbitrary to assert that there exists purely objective observation （好像没有谁说纯粹的客观观察存在啊？直接说不存在就可以了）.

Nevertheless, even though there is no purely objective observation, we still are aiming at pursuing objectivity. The more "objective" the observation, the more solidly it approach the real truth （换个说法，the closer it is from the real truth）, especially in the scientific research area. The researchers always make efforts to perceive data without distortion （改为动名词，being distorted） by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations. Therefore, the comparatively objective results of observation can be verifiable by other observers. Then the results will be the reality on firm ground and can be accepted by more researchers. Although someone may argue that in the art area objective is a mission impossible, we cannot neglect the fact that the art works must  be loyalty （形容词 loyal）to the substantial world which is objective （科幻小说？武侠？抽象画？他们都不一定要反映真实世界，而只是展现人类的想象力，这个让步还不如不要）.

Moreover, as it turns out, the observers who represent subjectivity and the observed which is objective are two equally important aspects in the process of observation （怎么拿主观的观察者和客观的观察来相比，不要一个人一个物）. Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition before （之间，between） them. We've been tailoring our discoveries of "objective" realities to suit our predilections （加个逗号） to fit our composite "subjective" reality and to conform to our paradigm. Perhaps, in fact（这两个副词可以放在一起用吗？）, reality is neither "objective" nor "subjective." Together they comprise the reality we know and both are equally important in its composition（这句话什么意思？）. What we subjectively put in is as important as the objective component. Subjective and objective are equally important. （这一段并没有阐明为什么主观和客观都很重要，而只是不断重复你的观点而已。其实你可以讲 objective observation collects original materials, while subjective factors such as observers’ expectations or desires help reveal the meaning behind them. ）

To sum up, it is the objectivity and subjectivity that are two main characteristics of observation. Neither pure objectivity nor complete subjectivity exists （完全主观的观察不存在没有论述）. Observation not only can be objective but must be subjective if we are to embrace the more fundamental notion of knowledge and truth exist （这句话什么意思？观察不仅可以是客观的而且必须是主观的？Observation must be both objective and subjective if …..）.

udoUID: 2114276

被G10T5拍过之后暴汗，努力改ing
非常感谢！
从来没有意识到原来自己存在这么多问题！

abigredUID: 154473

Although completely objectivity is an unattainable ideal, may be even a delusion, scientists are trying to observe in a more objective way in order to obtain more reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature. In my opinion, objectivity and subjectivity are both important qualities to observation, therefore it is not justifiable to simply seperate them.

Unbiased observation is a sham, for the act of observing itself alters what we are observing. As a result, it is difficult to find such thing as purely objective observation. There are three main factors that influence the objectivity of observing results: observer's personal habit, measurement used in observing process and the use of descriptive languages. Firstly, the observer's expectations and desires force the observation to go to a certain direction which will strongly supports the observer's assumption or fulfill the observer's benefit mostly. 如何影响，可以详细点 Secondly, how you set about measuring something determines the final result of the observation. 最终决定的是描述吧？既然你提了三点影响 For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. Nothing been perceived does not necessarily mean nothing existed. Thirdly, every observer must discern and extrapolate information about what they have observed in descriptive languages based on previous knowledge, experience and self-condition. For example, it must appear different expressions of color between ordinary people and color blindness. In a word, it is too arbitrary to assert that there exists purely objective observation.觉得这个例子是第二个原因的展开，眼睛也算是工具吧。。。？

Nevertheless, even though there is no purely objective observation, we still are aiming at pursuing objectivity. The more "objective" the observation, the more solidly it approach the real truth, especially in the scientific research area. The researchers always make efforts to perceive data without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations. Therefore, the comparatively objective results of observation can be verifiable by other observers. Then the results will be the reality on firm ground and can be accepted by more researchers.  

Moreover, as it turns out, the observers who represent subjectivity and the observed which is objective are two equally important aspects in the process of observation. Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition between them. We've been tailoring our discoveries of "objective" realities to suit our predilections to fit our composite "subjective" reality and to conform to our paradigm.好多to啊。。读起来有点别扭 Perhaps, in fact, reality is neither "objective" nor "subjective." Together they comprise the reality we know and both are equally important in its composition. What we subjectively put in is as important as the objective component. Subjective and objective are equally important. 可以举个例子来证明both important会更充分。因为论证好像着重于观察具有两面性，而没讲到两者的重要性

To sum up, it is the objectivity and subjectivity that are two main characteristics of observation. Neither pure objectivity nor complete subjectivity exists. Observation not only can be objective but must be subjective if we are to embrace the more fundamental notion of knowledge and truth exist.

句子运用不错。
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ouymUID: 2109118

Although completely objectivity is an unattainable ideal, may be even a delusion, scientists are do their utmost to observe in objective way in order to obtain more reliable evidence to reveal the regulations of nature. In my opinion, objectivity and subjectivity are both important qualities to observation, therefore it is not justifiable to simply separate them. I contend that there is no purely objective observation and subjectivity, which involves the observer’s feeling, experience and knowledge, exists in any observation.

Unbiased observation is a sham, for the act of observing itself, which is impacted mainly by two factors discussed below, alters what we are observing. As a result, it is difficult to find such thing as purely objective observation. There are three main factors that impede the objective observations: observer's personal habit, measurement used in observing process and the use of descriptive languages. Firstly, the observer's expectations and desires force the observation to seek out certain facts that strongly supports their assumption or fulfill their benefit mostly, and unconsciously overlook others. Secondly, how you set about measuring something determines the final result of the observation. For instance, you cannot measure atoms using an ordinary ruler or discover bacteria through naked eyes. Nothing been perceived does not necessarily mean nothing existed. Thirdly, every observer must discern and extrapolate information about what they have observed in descriptive languages based on previous knowledge, experience and self-condition. For example, it must appear different choices of words which depict colors between ordinary people and color blindness. Then, it is obvious that there is no purely objective observation.

Nevertheless, even though there is no purely objective observation, we still are aiming at pursuing objectivity. The more "objective" the observation, the more solidly it approaches the real truth, especially in the scientific research area. The researchers always make efforts to perceive data without being distorted by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations. Therefore, the comparatively objective results of observation can be verifiable by other observers. Then the results will be the reality on firm ground and can be accepted by more researchers.

Moreover, as it turns out, the observers who represent subjectivity and the observed which is objective are two equally important aspects in the process of observation(这句话有问题!). Perhaps, there is no such distinct partition between them. We've been tailoring our discoveries of "objective" realities, to suit our predilections to fit our composite "subjective" reality and to conform to our paradigm(难句,看不懂!). In fact, reality is neither "objective" nor "subjective." Together they comprise the reality we realized and both are equally important in its composition. What we subjectively put in is as important as the objective component. Objective observation collects original materials, while subjective factors such as observers’ expectations or desires help reveal the meanings behind them. Without objectivity, observation is completely imagination, while without subjectivity there is no observation at all.

To sum up, it is the objectivity and subjectivity that are two main characteristics of observation. Neither pure objectivity nor complete subjectivity exists. Not only can observation be influenced by subjective factors listed above, but also must be objective if we are to embrace more fundamental notion of knowledge and truth exist(这句也看不懂!).