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上个月一个同学去签证,后来一直没消息。我们都以为她过了,谁知昨晚她从家回来说被拒了.........打听了一下经过。上月在上海全奖被拒,麻烦版主帮忙分析一下,我是看不出来是啥原因了
按完指纹后,
vo:What will you do in USA?
S:go to the university ** to pursuit my doctoral degree in transportation. The university is strong in this area and its phd program matches my interest, academic background and my career goal well. (vo一直低头不理)

vo:Whatwill you study?
S: I will concencrate on transportation science. I think this area will become hotter and hotter in china because of China’s increasingly terrible traffic conditions.
vo:What is your graduate major?
S: applied math. i specilize in operations research
vo:so you are changing your major. Why are you interested in this major?
S:I think this major would have a bright future in china. China will need more transportation professionals like me to address its traffic problem. And this major is an important application of what I have learned before. Moreover, my former advisor specilizes in this major. I begun to doing research on this area two years ago.(被打断。。。)
vo:why this univ?
S:the university is strong in this area and it even has a center for it.
Its phd program matches my interest and academic background. My future advisor is a renowned Chinese scholar. I think I can learn more knowledge and get more research experience from him. Moreover, his(被打断。。。)
the univeristy .vo:what are you doing now? what is your position?
S:I left campus only two months ago. And I am doing some research work on operations research and transportation with my former advisor. I am engaged in a national research project.
vo:so...you are unemployed now....do u have your transcripts?.. and resume. And your offer letter.
S:Yes, here are the transcripts from all the universities i have attended and my resume offer letter.
vo:边看边问what will you do after graduation?
S:I will come back to china and find a position as a researcher or professor in university. China is paying more attention to its traffic problems nowadays. And China’s transportation is becoming an important focus of investment.  China will need more professionals to manage its transportation infrastructures and systems. So there would be more opportunities for me in china.(被打断...)
vo:why do you think you will not have opportunities in US?
S:this specialty is relatively mature and there have been lots of top professionals like my future advisor in your country. That’s why I want to learn from you. However, it also means the space left for me in your country is very limit. (被打断..)
vo:do you have relatives in us?
S:no
vo:what are your parents do?
S:mother retired. My father had been working in 某国 for eigth years and he return China last year.
vo:似乎是沉默了一会,do you have any bank statement?
S:yes, here you are(他事先开了10W存款证明)摆手没要。
vo:do you have any houses?
S;no, but my parents have two houses and they have set aside one for me. here are the 房产证.do you want to see it?
vo:no. i am sorry i cannot give you visa this time. you cannot convice me you will come back. Sorry.
S;傻眼。
麻烦班主分析一下,我好像看不出啥毛病。


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期待斑竹分析:)

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她是去哪个学校啊?
难道transportation在米国的就业很好么?
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“斑猪” ? 怎么打的字啊?
老帖子里流淌着这个论坛中两年前曾经发生的一切故事。沉浸其中,我念念不忘在这里和我曾经分享人生最青春岁月的那一群最可爱的、最聪明的、最热情的朋友们。你们好吗?我不时的想起你们,祝福着你们:沉淀那些所有的不快,让琐碎的幸福渗透进你的人生--COOL/悟空~~~,你这样天天上论坛闲逛是拿不到offer的~

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VO问她why do you think you will not have opportunities in US?
,你朋友的回答失败透顶。事实上交通工程现在在美国很火,政府把很多工程问题包给大学研究,FUDING很足。VO怎么会不知道,怪不得VO不相信她会回国。

其次,一般交通工程在土木下面,你朋友学的是应用数学,这个跨度也蛮大的。而且VO问转专业的时候很明显走了这么个思维:你专业不同,你怎么确保新专业的知识你掌握的足够深,你的老专业怎么和新专业结合。你朋友完全没有回答两个专业是如何承上启下,相互关联的。实际上你朋友完全可以说不会直接从事土木建设的内容,而是作与交通工程有关的计算机建模分析之类与应数专业靠谱的回答才对。

总之,你的朋友对自己的新专业认识还不够透彻,看得不够清楚(至少在回答VO的问题上)。

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是不是他在回到Why are you interested in this major? 这个问题时没有处理好?
是不是说的太泛, 缺乏specific details?
anyway,不懂,期待高人分析

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我是新手,但是我对全奖被拒的例子很有兴趣,试着分析一下,期待斑竹指正

vo:What will you do in USA?
S:go to the university ** to pursuit my doctoral degree in transportation. The university is strong in this area and its phd program matches my interest, academic background and my career goal well. (vo一直低头不理)//是不是应该倒过来,先说自己的兴趣是什么,career是什么,再说选择了这个学校,或者在后面要补充说到底interest, academic background, career goal是什么
vo:Whatwill you study?
S: I will concencrate on transportation science. I think this area will become hotter and hotter in china because of China’s increasingly terrible traffic conditions. //我觉得不能仅仅从热度考虑吧,自己的兴趣呢,其他因素呢,如果仅仅是因为热门的话,那美国也可能很热门阿,没办法反驳Vo的疑惑
vo:What is your graduate major?
S: applied math. i specilize in operations research
vo:so you are changing your major. Why are you interested in this major?//转专业是个需要好好解释清楚的问题啊,为什么转,仅仅因为在某个国家热门就转吗?
S:I think this major would have a bright future in china. China will need more transportation professionals like me to address its traffic problem. And this major is an important application of what I have learned before. Moreover, my former advisor specilizes in this major. I begun to doing research on this area two years ago.(被打断。。。)
vo:why this univ?
S:the university is strong in this area and it even has a center for it.
Its phd program matches my interest and academic background. My future advisor is a renowned Chinese scholar. I think I can learn more knowledge and get more research experience from him. Moreover, his(被打断。。。)
the univeristy .vo:what are you doing now? what is your position?
S:I left campus only two months ago. And I am doing some research work on operations research and transportation with my former advisor. I am engaged in a national research project.
vo:so...you are unemployed now....do u have your transcripts?.. and resume. And your offer letter.
S:Yes, here are the transcripts from all the universities i have attended and my resume offer letter.
vo:边看边问what will you do after graduation?
S:I will come back to china and find a position as a researcher or professor in university. China is paying more attention to its traffic problems nowadays. And China’s transportation is becoming an important focus of investment.  China will need more professionals to manage its transportation infrastructures and systems. So there would be more opportunities for me in china.(被打断...)//这里我看不出什么问题,我也想进高校做教授的,还请高手来分析一下,美国人眼中,高校的教授应该做哪些工作,是不是这些呢
vo:why do you think you will not have opportunities in US? //这个问题好狠啊!如果问大家大家想好怎么回答了吗?我想不管什么专业美国肯定好找工作好混把,怎么回答比较好啊。或者能不能从另外的角度说 或许在美国我也可以找到工作,但是在中国工作我能够获得更多的满足感,能够获得更大的成就。如果硬说在美国我混不下去好像很难找理由吧,美国确实发达阿
S:this specialty is relatively mature and there have been lots of top professionals like my future advisor in your country. That’s why I want to learn from you. However, it also means the space left for me in your country is very limit. (被打断..)
vo:do you have relatives in us?
S:no
vo:what are your parents do?
S:mother retired. My father had been working in 某国 for eigth years and he return China last year.//可能加重了VO对移民倾向的感觉
vo:似乎是沉默了一会,do you have any bank statement?
S:yes, here you are(他事先开了10W存款证明)摆手没要。
vo:do you have any houses?
S;no, but my parents have two houses and they have set aside one for me. here are the 房产证.do you want to see it?
vo:no. i am sorry i cannot give you visa this time. you cannot convice me you will come back. Sorry.
S;傻眼。

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看起来她是没有机会说就被打断了
我的回帖只作参考。本人不负任何责任

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S: I will concencrate on transportation science. I think this area will become hotter and hotter in china because of China’s increasingly terrible traffic conditions. //我觉得不能仅仅从热度考虑吧,自己的兴趣呢,其他因素呢,如果仅仅是因为热门的话,那美国也可能很热门阿,没办法反驳Vo的疑惑
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这个似乎真要注意呢,我觉得应该把自己的个人爱好和兴趣 重点来说

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好像到时候没那么多时间去说吧
我的回帖只作参考。本人不负任何责任

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vo:why do you think you will not have opportunities in US?
S:thisspecialty is relatively mature and there have been lots of topprofessionals like my future advisor in your country. That’s why I wantto learn from you. However, it also means the space left for me in yourcountry is very limit. (被打断..)

我马上就要签了,理由和他差不多,晕了,怎么说啊


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vo:What will you do in USA?
S:go to the university ** to pursuit my doctoral degree in transportation. The university is strong in this area and its phd program matches my interest, academic background and my career goal well. (vo一直低头不理) 说的太多.后面说的没意义. 一般VO都会问学校或者专业的,没必要这里说. 答非所问..感觉就是背书了.

vo:Whatwill you study?
S: I will concencrate on transportation science. I think this area will become hotter and hotter in china because of China’s increasingly terrible traffic conditions.
同样错误.后面一句和这个问题没啥关系..还不如多说点专业东西..让VO了解你的确明白和了解所学专业..

vo:What is your graduate major?
S: applied math. i specilize in operations research

vo:so you are changing your major. Why are you interested in this major?
S:I think this major would have a bright future in china. China will need more transportation professionals like me 啥都还没学呢,转专业的....to address its traffic problem. And this major is an important application of what I have learned before. Moreover, my former advisor specilizes in this major. I begun to doing research on this area two years ago.(被打断。。。)
要从自己的职业规划来说...专业热门,教授推荐等等...都不是出之主管的,动机不明..

vo:why this univ?
S:the university is strong in this area and it even has a center for it.
Its phd program matches my interest and academic background. My future advisor is a renowned Chinese scholar. I think I can learn more knowledge and get more research experience from him. Moreover, his(被打断。。。)
强调多次了,要和自己所学的情况符合,并不是学校好就一定match...而且主要强调学校能交给自己什么东西..

vo:what are you doing now? what is your position?
S:I left campus only two months ago. And I am doing some research work on operations research and transportation with my former advisor. I am engaged in a national research project.
vo:so...you are unemployed now....do u have your transcripts?.. and resume. And your offer letter.
S:Yes, here are the transcripts from all the universities i have attended and my resume offer letter.

vo:边看边问what will you do after graduation?
S:I will come back to china and find a position as a researcher or professor in university. China is paying more attention to its traffic problems nowadays. And China’s transportation is becoming an important focus of investment.  China will need more professionals to manage its transportation infrastructures and systems. So there would be more opportunities for me in china.(被打断...)
中国需要和归国没有必然联系..这个就有点空泛,说大话了..

vo:why do you think you will not have opportunities in US?
S:this specialty is relatively mature and there have been lots of top professionals like my future advisor in your country. That’s why I want to learn from you. However, it also means the space left for me in your country is very limit. (被打断..)
这个问题看似尖锐,实际上是VO给你再一次机会说明留学动机和发展..这里有点答非所问..回答美国没有机会就业做什么.入套了.. 应该强调学习对自己的发展很重要,已经决定今后往这个专业发展等等.还是在说归国计划..

vo:do you have relatives in us?
S:no
vo:what are your parents do?
S:mother retired. My father had been working in 某国 for eigth years and he return China last year.
vo:似乎是沉默了一会,do you have any bank statement?
S:yes, here you are(他事先开了10W存款证明)摆手没要。资金问题信息不多..不过看这样的情况,应该没多大问题..

vo:do you have any houses?
S;no,这里不要这样答..直接就说my family has two houses....认为有继承关系的.可以加强国内联系.. but my parents have two houses and they have set aside one for me. here are the 房产证.do you want to see it?
vo:no. i am sorry i cannot give you visa this time. you cannot convice me you will come back. Sorry.
S;傻眼


总的来说,两个地方有点不太好..
1,不太结合自己情况.转专业的更要注意结合自身情况,不要给VO感觉是在跟风(跟热门专业)...
2,回答的时候要注意VO问的重点,不要答非所问..


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