[最初的梦想]Issue144~球拍,有拍必回~

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

TOPIC: ISSUE144 - "It is the artist, not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."

*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings, etc.

As a usual Sunday morning, Peter sat down in front of his table and got used to reading the New York Times’ book review during his breakfast to see if there is a new novel receiving critics’ particular attention and which is potentially worthwhile his time and money in next week. Like Peter, today people all over the nations are being used to living in a spiritual world built by critics. The great artists, who create immortalworks, are undoubtedly the main body of the lasting value contained in all these masterpieces. However, to convey this value to the society, it is critics’ contribution.

Artists, whose responsibility is to record their time and their society through their specific angles shown by their art works, have transcendental insight and are all along to seek the undying part of human’s spiritual civilization. With F. Scott Fitzgerald’s enduring work “The Great Gatsby”, a vivid Jazz Age appears in front of the readers. Going with Fitzgerald’s wizard pen, readers as if fell into another world surrounding by endless wine and jazz where the light will never extinguish, the party will never stop. Owing to the great work Fitzgerald has done and other brightest artists in history and now, a bridge connecting the past with today has been building. Without their untiring endeavors, the human’s civilization is incomplete. Without artists, the arts die.

But based on their thought-provoking works exclusively, artists cannot givesociety something of lasting value. Since an art work is like an exploration to the mankind’s deeper spirit, it is often hard for the publics to understand the core behind their works, the lasting value contained in their works’ inner world. Still take “The Great Gatsby” for instance: the masses that lack basic backgrounds about the Jazz age and Fitzgerald’s private life experience usually consider this book just as a love tragedy but ignore the original motivation, the lasting value that to express a disillusion of an “American Dream”, which the author hopes to convey to the society. As many readers close this book with a suspiration: “The poor Gatsby”, the real “Great” Mr. Gatsby has already been covered by their unknown essential knowledge.

Thereby, it is necessary for commons to have wings, which can help us fly over the great mountains between the publics and the artists to realize the lasting value fully. Fortunately, we have critics, our wings. The Critics, who were an encyclopedia in their fields of the arts, always have wide and deep knowledge about the artists and their works. They are always insightful and sensitive to touch the feeling inside artists’ works which layman cannot. Hence, sometimes critic is just like a special heart of the artist in another planet, who can comprehend the creativity and inspiration behind an artwork from an outer world. By their explanations and reviews on the New York Times or other newspapers and magazines, the publics can better understand “The Great Gatsby” and the disillusion behind the borrowed prosperity of the Jazz Age. And that is why; today we can find reviews or an explanation in almost each literary book.

Furthermore, a good critic’s roles are not only limited in the publics’ wings. Potentially the more important function of the critics is to make artists’ creativity life clearly. Through feedback provided by the critics, from the outer world, artists themselves may have a more profound cognition of their own artworks. And obviously these new understandings will lead to a direct impact on their following works, no matter where and when these changes will happen. The lasting value contained in these following masterpieces may demonstrate something new and different to our civilization.

In sum, the artist and the critic are like a couple. One creates the lasting value in artworks and the other conveys it to the society. Only with this couple together, the human beings can find their spiritual home.

23号就要考试了 但是已经爱上AW 和作文版了
加之自己实在不想给自己唯一一次GRE考试留下什么遗憾
遂决定 将23号作为模拟 寒假结束以后春节前再考一次

所以现在写文章慢慢吞吞 尽可能做到先让自己满意
超时自然不必说了
文章结构和很多灵感都是启发于前辈alex_lee大约1年前那篇issue
应该算是模仿吧
希望大家能给出意见 特别是倒数第二段 我想不出什么好的例子
如果不出意外的话 想在23号模拟结束以后组一个 [最初的梦想]作文小组
大约5-6人左右 最好都是在1月中旬考试
目标是 5+ 希望参加的成员不仅仅是抱着AW高分的目的 更是希望提高自己英语写作水平的同学
大家现在就可以报名
最好已经开始练习作了 可是要精挑细选一番！！！

另外顺便提一点 我看了不少关于144的好文章 发现例子 基本都离不开 Van Gogh Sunflower 几乎 每篇都有
大家发动下自己的brainstrom 交流下别的例子


最后kingplough同学一定要加油！

要报名的附带上
考试地点
考试时间
和目前AW复习状况
最好还能帮我改文章 顺便附带上回拍的链子 哈哈~:loveliness:

[ 本帖最后由 StrayCrow 于 2008-10-24 11:22 编辑 ]

fainting_robinUID: 2336582

支持：）

wt_2005UID: 2558268

还能模拟一次考试？？呵呵

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

就是cancel 花钱买教训:funk:

wt_2005UID: 2558268

我11月11日考，不过算我一个~写作还是挺重要的，如果要出国的话~~

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

那只能算临时成员了 不行咱俩先改吧

kingploughUID: 2492921

加油，牛人就是这样诞生的！

考完了我来给你改。。。。:handshake

[ 本帖最后由 kingplough 于 2008-10-19 03:03 编辑 ]

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

厄 暂时没人帮我改作文了
有拍 才有回拍嘛

wt_2005UID: 2558268

TOPIC: ISSUE144 - "It is the artist,not the critic,* who gives society something of lasting value."

*a person who evaluates works of art, such as novels, films, music, paintings,etc.

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As a usual Sunday morning, Peter sat down before his table and got used toreading the New York Times’ book review during his breakfast to see if there isa new novel receiving critics’ particular attention and which is potentiallyworthwhile for his time and money in next week. Like Peter, today people allover the nations are being used to living in a spiritual world built bycritics. (这里感觉有点不连贯)The great artists, who create immoral works, are undoubtedly thebody of the lasting value contained in all these masterpieces. However, toconvey these values to the society, it is critics’ contribution.( The greatartists are undoubtedly the body of the lasting value, 不太明白什么意思)

Artists, whose responsibility is to record their time and their society throughtheir specific angle shown by their art works,have transcendental insight and are all along toseek the undying part of human’s spiritual civilization. With F. ScottFitzgerald’s enduring work “The Great Gatsby”, a vivid Jazz Age appears beforethe readers. Going with Fitzgerald’s wizard pen, readers as if fell into another world surrounding by theendless wine and jazz where the light will never extinguish, the party willnever stop. As the great work Fitzgerald has done, abridge connecting the past and today has been building by the brightest artistsin history and now.（这里的as应该引导的是原因状语吧，感觉跟后半句的by the brightest artists in history and now 有点矛盾，还有应该是built） (最好加个连词什么的，比如that is to say)Without their untiring endeavors, the human’s civilization isincomplete. Without artists, the arts die.(这句话放这有点突兀)

But based on their thought-provoking works alone, artists cannot give societysomething of lasting value. Since an art work is like an exploration to themankind’s deeper spirit, it is often hard for the public to understand the corebehind their productions, the lasting value contained in their works’ innerworld. Still take “The Great Gatsby” for instance: the masses that lack basicbackgrounds about the Jazz age and Fitzgerald’s private life experience usuallyconsider this book just as a love tragedy but ignore the original motivation,the lasting value that to express a disillusionof an “American Dream”, which the author hopes to convey to the society. Asmany readers close this book with a suspiration: “Thepoor Gatsby”, the real “Great” Mr. Gatsby has already been covered by theirunknown essential knowledge.（没看明白这句）

Thereby, it is necessary for commons to have wings, which can help us fly overthe great mountains between the publics and the artists to realize the lastingvalue full. Fortunately, we have critics, our wings. The Critics, who were anencyclopedia in their fields of the arts, always have wide and deep knowledgeabout the artists and their works. They are always insightful and easy to touchthe feeling inside artists’ works which layman can not. Hence, sometimes criticis just like a special heart of the artist in anotherplanet(??), who can comprehend the creativity and inspiration behind anartwork from an outer world. By their explanations and reviews on the New YorkTimes or other newspapers and magazines, the publics can better understand “TheGreat Gatsby” and the disillusion behind the borrowed prosperity of the JazzAge. And that is why; today we can find reviews or an explanation in almosteach literary book.

Furthermore, a good critic’s roles are not only limited in the publics’ wings. Potentially more important that he or she can also makeartists’ artistic life clearly.(这句话貌似不完整) Through feedback provided by the critics, fromthe outer world, artists themselves may have a more profound cognition of theirown artworks. And obviously these new understandings will lead to a directimpact on their following works, no matter where and when these changes willhappen. The lasting value contained in these following masterpieces may showsomething new and different to our civilization.

In sum, the artist and the critic are like a couple. One creates the lastingvalue in artworks and the other conveys it to the society. Only with thiscouple together, the human beings can find their spiritual home.

还是不错的，语言上有些地方有点生硬。

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

既然23号考试暂无定论 我把标题改了一下
等到23号考试尘埃落定 再说 抱歉

firhadayUID: 2287086

I am happy with your attitude, and you love with AW.
Things might be better than what you expected, if you are dedicated to this project. Worstly, even you lose in the ETS, You are stronger than any time before because your special experience with AW.
So, keep working till the end. Troubles and difficulties might be ahead, but once you have the faith to win, you will win.
Usually I revise one's work by its words or phrases, but now, I want to make "big comments" with you to discuss my ideas about your reviews.
                    -------by firhaday
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With regard to the points of you, I found I disagree with you to some extent. In my views, the long lasting value of arts is made by artists, waiting for publics to discover. No matter how and when critics made their comments or interpreted the "inner idea" based on their understanding, lasting value will shine when it is understandable to publics thenselves.
The Great Gatsby is a reflection of American dream, but do you think the most important thing of this great novel is its inner ideas? Masterpieces by Hamingway Old man and Sea described "never give up" sprits, however, can you attribute all its distinguished fame to its inner sprits? Since each man could tell good ideas to others, how can they express them and how to make public more understandable become more important. Obviously, former two became distinguished because they are recorgnized.
You might think that it is critic's duty to interpret this to make public understandable. However, I want to say No with your ideas. Critics can not, or won't have that much authority in guilding your understanding towards arts. I give you an example. When " Spider Man II" comes out, critics propogated this movie as another wonderful movie following the former " Spider Man I". They might share a lot of exciting experience with you so as to attract you focus on this movie. Their motivation of critizing was to "promote" this movie to appeal more audience, so as to add more profits to the manufacturer. Things are not limited to movies, but an universal regulation. Under such cirsumstance, how can we believe the critics can convey or interpret the goodness of one art to us. Will you feel reliable with those comments? Once their motivation is not to review the arts, they function as nothing but propogation tools.
Later on, I want you to catch up with my logic line to focus the true value of arts lying in the understanding of publics. Arts, especially some amazing ones, or masterpieces, are created to arise common feeling with others who appreciated them. Only when publics, or those who can understand the arts can understand the lasting value. Since different people have different tastes, apprecations, they might find someone are arts while some others not. Critics may interpret A as wonderful, while you might take it as trash. Then, what will happen to you? Yield to critics? Or to believe in yourself to find something of more lasting value? I think I prefer the latter one. This also can iinterpret why some arts are commonly regarded as arts, while others are not that commonly recorgnized but with value as well. That's why you can not refuse the wonderful of a easy pic from a naive boy, who drew the sunrise. You might take it as arts as you appreciate with the sense and feeling it brought about Value shows when it is understandable to the one who appreciates.
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写了一段话,不是针对你的文章,但是,就是想说说,我跳出AW的束缚的思维圈后所对于这个问题的看法,作为一个BRAINSTORMING, 你也来审视下吧,大家可以参考看看,有什么新点子可以冒出来,不然以后144永远还是那个调调!呵呵!(文章是临时写的,没有构思,有点混乱,大家海涵!):loveliness:


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As a usual Sunday morning, Peter sat down before his table and got used to reading the New York Times’ book review during his breakfast to see if there is a new novel receiving critics’ particular attention and which is potentially worthwhile for his time and money in next week. Like Peter, today people all over the nations are being used to living in a spiritual world built by critics. The great artists, who create immoral works, are undoubtedly the body of the lasting value contained in all these masterpieces. However, to convey these values to the society, it is critics’ contribution.

Artists, whose responsibility is to record their time and their society through their specific angle shown by their art works, have transcendental insight and are all along to seek the undying part of human’s spiritual civilization. With F. Scott Fitzgerald’s enduring work “The Great Gatsby”, a vivid Jazz Age appears before the readers. Going with Fitzgerald’s wizard pen, readers as if fell into another world surrounding by the endless wine and jazz where the light will never extinguish, the party will never stop. As the great work Fitzgerald has done, a bridge connecting the past and today has been building by the brightest artists in history and now. Without their untiring endeavors, the human’s civilization is incomplete. Without artists, the arts die.

But based on their thought-provoking works alone, artists cannot give society something of lasting value. Since an art work is like an exploration to the mankind’s deeper spirit, it is often hard for the publics to understand the core behind their productions, the lasting value contained in their works’ inner world. Still take “The Great Gatsby” for instance: the masses that lack basic backgrounds about the Jazz age and Fitzgerald’s private life experience usually consider this book just as a love tragedy but ignore the original motivation, the lasting value that to express a disillusion of an “American Dream”, which the author hopes to convey to the society. As many readers close this book with a suspiration: “The poor Gatsby”, the real “Great” Mr. Gatsby has already been covered by their unknown essential knowledge.

Thereby, it is necessary for commons to have wings, which can help us fly over the great mountains between the publics and the artists to realize the lasting value full. Fortunately, we have critics, our wings. The Critics, who were an encyclopedia in their fields of the arts, always have wide and deep knowledge about the artists and their works. They are always insightful and easy to touch the feeling inside artists’ works which layman can not. Hence, sometimes critic is just like a special heart of the artist in another planet, who can comprehend the creativity and inspiration behind an artwork from an outer world. By their explanations and reviews on the New York Times or other newspapers and magazines, the publics can better understand “The Great Gatsby” and the disillusion behind the borrowed prosperity of the Jazz Age. And that is why; today we can find reviews or an explanation in almost each literary book.

Furthermore, a good critic’s roles are not only limited in the publics’ wings. Potentially more important that he or she can also make artists’ artistic life clearly. Through feedback provided by the critics, from the outer world, artists themselves may have a more profound cognition of their own artworks. And obviously these new understandings will lead to a direct impact on their following works, no matter where and when these changes will happen. The lasting value contained in these following masterpieces may show something new and different to our civilization.

In sum, the artist and the critic are like a couple. One creates the lasting value in artworks and the other conveys it to the society. Only with this couple together, the human beings can find their spiritual home.

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

实在是很pf  firhaday那段即兴创作
基本上已经给出了 如果站在赞成issue-144的角度上 如何写这篇文章的素材库
非常的strong
这席回帖也正反映了 aw的魅力之所在
issue的题目 不是一个哲学命题 就是 一场极佳的辩论赛
:loveliness:

就我个人的体验 和抛开aw这个考试而言
我也更倾向于 斑竹的论述方向 我写之前思考了很久
就是想尝试着从完全否定critic这个角度来写
原因就是在于 斑竹最后一段中提到的 那个关于艺术欣赏最本质的问题
一千个读者心目中有一千个哈姆雷特  (顺便问下 这句话的英文原话是什么 或者这句话是出自中国人之口:funk: )
黑格尔的美学观点 就是"美是理念的显性表现" 这是十分典型的 唯心的
对艺术价值的本身认同就是因人而异的

当然我最后还是选择传统模式去写
有以下几个原因
1.就是辩证的看这个issue 其实是有一个限定 在于 to "society"
不得不承认的是
如市场经济缺陷所能体现的那样
当人这一客观实体 一群落形势寄居起来 组成社会以后
受到盲从性的影响
社会的评判标准并非是公允的
这就是为什么会出现 像文化大革命 为代表的各种文化浩劫的原因
单纯依靠社会的自发性
很多经典的艺术作品有可能将被永世曲解或者埋没

这个时候建立一套合乎标准的艺术评论体系 (与此类似的是我们的美学体系 历史体系)
是有其价值的

2.我个人的英语语言水平实在达不到畅所欲言的水平
所以这篇文章 我也说了是模范前辈alex_lee的
~

小谈下感受 对于斑竹 old man and sea 和 影评人体系的驳论 非常pf~
我本来也考虑过用old man and sea 但是当时就是考虑到 这部作品的内涵 已经到了 似是而非的最高境界 —— 人人都能感知到那个内涵的存在 但是人人却又难以用自己的语言穷尽这种内涵 已经达到了天人合一的境界

个人很喜欢 Hamingway 自己对这部小说的一种大师级解读：“大海就是大海，老人就是老人，孩子就是孩子”
当然Hamingway自己也承认 这部小说蕴含的也不只是 多年前他所说的这句话 里面那么简单
可见艺术家本身 也许也很难穷尽其自身的创造动机 我甚至觉得这种创作动机不会随着 一部作品的完结而完结
作者本身对自己作品的看法 也随着时间推移和阅历的推移 在不停的变化 所以艺术始终是活着的
评论本身就是一种枉然
但是这里的问题可能不局限于评论本身 而在于它对社会的价值
...
不多说了

谢谢斑竹的修改~

firhadayUID: 2287086

其实，我能写出这样的评论，只是因为我跳出了AW的固定模式，由内心的表达一些意见，所以不要PF，大家都是在交流的过程！

至于语言能力，现在这个论坛上基本没有几个能做到畅所欲言的地步，这个需要的是积累和练习，做一个生活的有心人，相信你也能做到你所希望的表达程度。

艺术的价值到底在什么方面，其本身就是一个辩题，如果你由自己很冲动的想法，那么就上吧，按照自己的想法好好发挥，顶多最后的时候“违心”的来个辩证。你觉得呢？

StrayCrowUID: 2348763

恩 现在这个版本 应该算是理性思考以后的内心想法

maomaoziUID: 2304801

哪一个哈姆雷特可以被称为last alue.

个人逻辑是觉得:
如果关注内心的ART可能更能引起群众的共鸣,然后这种ART的last alue可能不需要crtics,作品他自己在说话嘛,CRITICS估计即使说啥也被无视了.

比如关注一个时代的ART,或者作者刻意在这篇想表达的主题可能就需要更多的知识背景去理解的时候.critics拥有更敏锐的神经去挖掘.

而且,在一个没有被恶意化的critics,来说,critics应该还具备筛选功能的,群众的EYEs,毕竟,现在称为ART的东西太多,展示个人理念的机会也越来越容易,在茫茫的ART中,人们需要一些焦点去关注才能不被淹死在信息中~

感觉自己逻辑就很乱,ART这么PERSONAL的东西诞生LAST ALUE 的情况都是不一样的~~:mad:


issue文章的特点到底是什么??除了一些观点特别明确的,剩下的是要表达出自己的观点还是 有点倾向但是基本中庸的调子啊~显然任何事情都是两面的.我是要把我想到的说出来还是按照一个定下来的模式去写呢~.
问

楼主文章已经非常赞了,逻辑也很清楚,估计有改进的也只能是观点上面拉~ 拜一个~