我对美国法律学位LLM，SJD，JD的一些看法

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通常是llm+jsd三年完成，不过美国项目有些特殊。
我知道的提前毕业jsd有三种情况：1，成绩背景突出者，比如张月娇在GTU只读一年，中间还给美国法学院学生上上课。2，jsd论文完成顺利者，论文计划都是自己来做， ...
golaw 发表于 2011-1-9 08:02

啊，大婶你又来神游了。。。

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"我知道的提前毕业jsd有三种情况：1，成绩背景突出者，比如张月娇在GTU只读一年，中间还给美国法学院学生上上课"

据我了解，张大法官没有读完JSD学位就回去工作了，她只在 GTU 读了LLM,她的JSD 是在COLUMBIA LAW SCHOOL，呆了一年（97-98），有工作需要就回到工作岗位了。要完成这个JSD对她是轻而易举的。可以参考WTO 官方简历http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/ab_members_bio_e.htm
和中国商务部 http://lgj.mofcom.gov.cn/hnjz/aarticle/a/200712/20071205278343.html?3510493135=251353057

通常是llm+jsd三年完成，不过美国项目有些特殊。
我知道的提前毕业jsd有三种情况：1，成绩背景突出者，比如张月娇在GTU只读一年，中间还给美国法学院学生上上课。2，jsd论文完成顺利者，论文计划都是自己来做， ...
golaw 发表于 2011-1-9 08:02

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43# joe824

其实我还是觉得你说的话含金量更高，能否用一些你的实际的例子或者身边在Top14内读法学院的同学在美国就业的例子呢？感觉这方面的信息非常非常少，而且毕竟大部分人都不是奔着学术研究的吧，学术也是为了实业而服务的。

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UP

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有疑问：这样的比较、分析、辩论意义何在？是要比谁更牛X吗？
求学、就业能离开个人努力因素？攻读何种学位，可能需要综合考虑个人能力、需要等多种因素，找到适合自己的就成。为啥对不相及的东西进行比较？ 不同学校设置的项目名称可能不同，牛津就非得弄个Mphil，澳洲基本称PhD，美国有SJD/JD，加拿大还有JSD呢，那么哪个更不好申请呢？更进一步说，哪个最牛X？

海龟与土鳖的比较已经够~~了，海龟间还要搞个PK？
恳请已经在国外读书的同学多介绍些各自学校课程设置的特色、个人海外学习经验等

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既然决定出去闯荡，为啥不跟鬼子们一较高下？
其它专业我不清楚，只说国际公法领域。有不少关于国内"TOP" Law School 大牛们的海外求学背景介绍，但问一句：这些大牛们的国际影响力如何？诸多国际组织中，有多少国人身居要职、“实”职？参加过一些所谓的“国际”会议，所谓“大牛”的一口“英语”实在令人震惊。好玩儿的是，一些代言人仍以与”牛“们沾边儿而激动不已。

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既然决定出去闯荡，为啥不跟鬼子们一较高下？
其它专业我不清楚，只说国际公法领域。有不少关于国内"TOP" Law School 大牛们的海外求学背景介绍，但问一句：这些大牛们的国际影响力如何？诸多国际组织中，有多少国人 ...
casslos 发表于 2011-3-30 12:54

i went to those tribunal/ international court in Hague last semester with our international law class.. I think what we have seen suggested that the lack of chinese justice's presence in international tribunals/ international courts are a combination of the lack of public attention(interests) and the lack of national interest... China in general is not interested in public international law (except trade law)  therefore China pays limited supports to international courts. Only in ICJ China has an important seat (because we are in security council)... ICC doesn't have Chinese justice because China didn't sign the Roman Statute.. ( and there won't be one until we accede this treaty) and China is not interested in humanitarian aid / human right issues therefore it has almost never supported special tribunals.. ( only ICTY has a Chinese justice)...

what I mean is that Chinese legal scholars could be very competent, but our country's policy orientation limited the role chinese legal scholar can play in international level.

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原来你去参加啊海牙那个暑期课程了

收获如何？

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158# 阿泰 no, that's the class in my college, to visit tribunals and courts in Europe...... in Jan. to geneva, Strasbourg, Luxembourg, and the Hague....


it's a cool class, we actually got to attend the court hearing and to talk with persecutors and judges

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158# 阿泰 no, that's the class in my college, to visit tribunals and courts in Europe...... in Jan. to geneva, Strasbourg, Luxembourg, and the Hague....


it's a cool class, we actually got to at ...
mephistoE 发表于 2011-4-1 01:59

可惜我不是搞国际法这块的，对国际法的东西没有什么深入的了解

搞国际法的，多走走，多看看，多学学肯定是没有错的，这些东西的成长，壮大，还是在西方

总体上感觉，国际法在中国搞不出什么新意的一个很大原因还是跟国家对外政策有关系

不鼓励，也不扶持搞

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157# mephistoE Yes, there is also a Chinese Justice in ITLOS. Yes, the importance of a seat in the international courts and tribunals can not be ignored. What is the extent to which our 'international' Justices could play an important role? I think the increasing emergence of China as an important player in international affairs, other than the personal reputation of Justice candidates that gurantee a seat in those international judicial organizations.

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160# 阿泰   个人感觉是国家目前过于注重“实用”出现挑战时，就临时烧把火（比如钓鱼岛问题，我们敢主张通过国际法途径解决吗？日本在ICJ的法官早在几十年前就在审理海洋划界争端等相关案件时，就开始有意为钓鱼岛问题创设有利于日本立场的先例。这个伏笔太可怕。）有很多东西需要的是持久的积淀，”临时抓“终敌不过处心积虑的长久准备

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162# casslos

if china can't have its voice heard in international court, it can never incorporate its idea into the development of international law. and btw international law is not stare decisis, therefore precedence does not matter too much, compared with Justice's personal decision, and that's another reason why a Chinese justice in international court is crucial.

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163# mephistoE
“the importance of a seat in the international judicial organizations can not be denied"

"the precedence does not matter too much", however, it does matter. ( the North Sea case?)
The political element is an integral part in the development of international law. In the ICJ case, the political influence presides over other considerations sometimes.

Anyway, I just feel that great effort, both of the government and scholars themselves, should be made to be incorporated into the process of learning and developing international law. I am highly interested in the public international law, and hope to have an opportunity to study abroad.

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164# casslos

so are you applying law school now?