14年秋季提纲互改小组 - Issue 38

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38) It is primarily through our identification with social groups that we define ourselves.
Write a response in which you discuss the extent to which you agree or disagree with the statement and explain your reasoning for the position you take. In developing and supporting your position, you should consider ways in which the statement might or might not hold true and explain how these considerations shape your position.
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Generally speaking, a people could participate in more than one social group in his life, all of which is closely relative to his character. Without doubt, identification with social group evolved is always a convenient way for people to locate themselves. Also, sometimes people tend to define themselves before joining in new social groups. In fact, both the self-understanding and group identification contribute a lot to the self-definition.

Ts1
For the social group that we have already joined in, they more or less represent part of our personality, thus could assist to locate ourselves. 举例，如果一个学生参加了两种社团，却发现自己喜欢阅读社多过运动队，那很明显他是文静而非好动的。一个social group就像例子中这样不能给我们定义一整个人，但积少成多多个社团能帮助我们了解一个人的大部分

Ts2
On the contrary, the people need to realize themselves ahead of the identification with social group if the groups are new to them and they are considering whether to participate or not.
就像一个中立选民在投票站队之前，先要了解自己：我属于哪个社会阶级有哪些需求， 然后才是识别不同政治阵营加入适合自己的

Ts3
Above all, the statement should not separate the social identification with the self-understanding and try to analyze their causation or sequence. Instead, they are supposed to promote and intertwine with each other.
自我定义必须结合社会群体识别与自我识别，只有前者容易迷失真我，只有后者容易偏离

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max940623 发表于 2014-11-17 22:13
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Generally speaking, a people could participate in more than one social group in his life, all of ...

38) It is primarily through our identification with social groups that we define ourselves.
Write a response in which you discuss the extent to which you agree or disagree with the statement and explain your reasoning for the position you take. In developing and supporting your position, you should consider ways in which the statement might or might not hold true and explain how these considerations shape your position.
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Generally speaking, a people could participate in more than one social group in his life, all of which is closely relative to his character. Without doubt, identification with social group evolved is always a convenient way for people to locate themselves. Also, sometimes people tend to define themselves before joining in new social groups. In fact, both the self-understanding and group identification contribute a lot to the self-definition.

people是复数
group要加s
relative和related不要搞混了
evolved放在这里是什么意思
对于self understanding这个概念 不知道你想表达什么

如果要说self identification 或许可以讲一下innate characterisitcs such as gender, sexual orientation, age等等


感觉你对这道题目的理解还不够清楚
或许你可以看看我写的这篇吧

https://bbs.gter.net/forum.php?mo ... age=7#pid1778983319

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38) It is primarily through our identification with social groups that we define ourselves.

Man is social by nature. I agree with the speaker in that it points out the mark that society imprints on a person. Nevertheless, the statement does not hold true all the time in two respects. On the one hand, it overlooks the wealth and complexity of individuals. On the other hand, evidences are there that many great men have broken their stereotypes to make contributions to the human civilization.

I tend to agree with the statement because it is owing to roles we play in social groups that help us form our identification.作为社会人，我们的道德准则，思考方式和行为模式很大程度上来源于所处社会的运作方法，传统文化和法律法规。举例最明显的分类方式——职业和年龄：医生被人们认为是细致谨慎和高学历的代名词；通常来说长者比年轻人更稳重，值得信赖。

However, personal identities never dissolve in a society. Each member of it maintains his individuality which in turn shapes the society as a whole.虽然social group从一定程度上可以帮助实现身份认同，但却不能精准定位每个人的特质。每个人都是特殊的，不同的经历和自我期待塑造了这个社会上形形色色的人。举例一个儿时有家庭阴影的孩子即便在其他方面都很正常，他对于婚姻的恐惧可能会导致很极端的婚恋观。

In a lot of cases, it is the breakthrough of social identifications that leads one to succeed.举例甘地放弃原有稳定的律师职业，搞印度非暴力不合作的独立运动过；南丁格尔放弃原有的贵族生活，救死扶伤，开创了现代护理的开端。

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杨家齐 发表于 2014-11-24 18:28
38) It is primarily through our identification with social groups that we define ourselves.

Man i ...

However, personal identities never dissolve in a society
不明白你的意思

我觉得你整体的思路挺好
或许可以举一些更简单的例子

比如同样是医生 都属于同一个社会群体
但是有的医生对病人认真负责 和蔼可亲
有的医术特别高 等等

再比如同样是老师
有的很在乎学生
有的就是混点

我感觉你举的例子要么就是有点极端 要么就是有点特殊

注意题目中的we是指的大多数人 普通人 而不是英雄伟人  

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tesolchina 发表于 2014-11-25 23:15
However, personal identities never dissolve in a society
不明白你的意思

老師, 我看了你給的意見, 自己寫了一篇, 請你評一評。

38) It is primarily through our identification with social groups that we define ourselves.
Write a response in which you discuss the extent to which you agree or disagree with the statement and explain your reasoning for the position you take. In developing and supporting your position, you should consider ways in which the statement might or might not hold true and explain how these considerations shape your position.

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It commonly believes that one of the best ways to tell others “who am I” or “who are you” is by means of identifying the social group that the individual belongs to. The above argument works quite well while it is applied to define ourselves briefly. On the other hand, the identification of social group fails to define ourselves comprehensively. Three areas – meeting with people that we do not know, participating in an interview and dating with others – will be discussed and will be used to explain the above reasoning.

Ts1
By indicating the social groups that we are belonging to, we define ourselves while meeting with people that we do not know. 這是因為identification of social groups 是一個有效的variable去定義我們基本上是什麼人 和 我們基本上和其他人有什麼不同。For example, 在旅行的時候, 我們常常透過告訴別人我們是來哪一個國家/民族 來定義我們的特徵。同一時間, 這一個variable 有效地幫助其他人認識我們的特徵。

Ts2
However, the identification of social group is not a qualified variable to define ourselves comprehensively; particularly, while it comes to the area of participating in an interview, we always rely on other variables to construct a comprehensive picture of ourselves to others (the interviewers). 事實上, 告訴其他人我們是屬於哪一個社會團體是無助他們清楚地了解我們本質上特有的特徵。這個方法只是幫助他們認識我們的團體的特徵, 而不是我們個人的特徵。為了更清楚地定義我們個人本質上的特徵, 我們通常運用其他的variables去說明。For example: 我們有什麼喜好, 愛好什麼書本等等。

Ts3
Furthermore, while it is necessary to define and clarify the difference between ourselves and others, such as attending a dating with others, variables including but not limited to our own perspective of future life and expectation of potential spouse – rather than telling others which social group we are belonging to – are used to portray the feature of ourselves. 的確, 只有通過特定的和明確的variables 才可以清楚地告訴別人我們是一個怎麼的人。只有在這一個情況之下, 我們才有機會真正的認識別人 和讓別人真正的認識我們。這樣, 雙方才有發展下去的機會。