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cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 17:33
improving language skill is never a task/target of a master, no matter it is business, social sc ...

也不能说 not good enough，但是也不能说 very good，就是，课程努力就没有太大的问题，但是怎么着自己也会觉得不够好吧，毕竟不是母语，也没有达到母语水平啊，反正都是学习的过程吧···

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 18:03
课程设置上大体一致，但是毕业方式上有不同，maitrise en sciences的毕业方式是essay+实习而mba的毕业方式是project+实习

至于工作经验，没有要求，虽然我也不是很理解为啥没有要求，但是···它就是没有，它要求要商科背景但是你可以本科没学金融

不管是第一年还是第二年的课程，都没有任何管理基础课程，例如经济啊，会计啊管理啊，市场或者组织行为，战略，因为要求学过这些课才能报这个专业，不过必修专业课也是金融专业课程，他也说了可以一年修完，看你自己表现

the reason is simple: this business school is not a good one.
well, or I should say like this: this is not a MBA, this is a pre-experience MSF, a practical one.

anyway, you will know the downsides of it at a later point in your career.

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 18:06
the reason is simple: this business school is not a good one.
well, or I should say like this:  ...

是不是真的mba我并不是很在意吧，至少给了个名哈哈哈

我也申请了向你说的那种，第一年上基础课程第二年专注于方向，不过并不是那么想去，因为我都已经上过基础课程了，这样的对我更好，因为学的更多和知识体系更完善，也不浪费时间

这不是business school，应该不算吧，应该算公立综合性大学吧，例如HEC那种就是真的business school，它是独立的，但是laval感觉并没有独立出来，不过我很喜欢啊，古老的纯法语学校和童话一样的魁北克城，简直要沦陷了啊！！

我喜欢practical one，感觉特别帅

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 18:28
是不是真的mba我并不是很在意吧，至少给了个名哈哈哈

我也申请了向你说的那种，第一年上基础课程第二年 ...

1. "是不是真的mba我并不是很在意吧，至少给了个名哈哈哈" <---- this is exactly the downside if you want a real MBA later.

2. "因为我都已经上过基础课程了，这样的对我更好，因为学的更多和知识体系更完善，也不浪费时间" <--- practical MSF.....well, I think it fit you somehow indeed.....especially you don't have much concern about long-term career development yet.

3. well, most business school are not stand alone one. most top business school are part of a university at the end (e.g. whatever HBS, Sloan, Stanford, Wharton....)

4. you will know how "practical" it is after your graduation......when you are working indeed.

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 18:06
the reason is simple: this business school is not a good one.
well, or I should say like this:  ...

刚刚看到最后一句话，为啥会downside ？为啥downside ？【一脸懵逼的问】就因为第一年不是基础课程？难道不觉得这样更好么，学的内容更多啊，就学习一年的finance，其中还有实习还要给时间写毕业论文什么，难道不是最好其实也没学什么吗？？！！难道不是这样的更好吗？

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编辑掉。

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 18:33
1. "是不是真的mba我并不是很在意吧，至少给了个名哈哈哈"

啊啊啊啊啊，别，我不懂啊，为啥，这里不是指好的practical吧·····有什么工作上的缺陷吗？例如我没有工作经验，但是mba出来没有好几年工作经验其实特别不好是么，但是我读个理科硕士出来我不一样没有工作经验吗，从结果上来看，不都是一样的找工作吗

我突然意识到一个问题，mba和不是mba的硕士出来差别真的很大吗？我以前觉得也不是很大吧？

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 18:05
get a better job. MBA is for networking. It is all about career. business school want better can ...

妈呀，说的我好慌···那，我要不要去换成science的finance呢？

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 18:34
刚刚看到最后一句话，为啥会downside ？为啥downside ？【一脸懵逼的问】就因为第一年不是基础课程？难道 ...

the key question is: what is your core competence skills, while working in the financial industry?

as a finance major, are you sure that your are better than:
- someone with an accounting background in financial statement related stuffs?
- someone with a quantitative background in risk or business analytics?
- someone with a legal background in regulation related stuffs?
- someone with a IT background in financial technology?

do you think you will know more practical stuffs than someone with a MBA?
I mean those real one with few years of experience (that's another market indeed)

so at the end, what's the comparative advantages of that then?

this is not the problem of the school, it is the problem of a practical pre-experience MSF. if you get one from MIT, LBS, it is fine - they are MIT, LBS. but who cares about the lesser one? not matter how practical the master is, it is in a university. given that finance is not rocket science, those bigger banks / FIs actually don't care what major you are in while recruiting (e.g. their MT/analyst position) - they just train them themselves - and this is fast.

P.S. don't tell me that there are a lot of pre-experience MSF in France / EU. That's EU, and thus don't forget the academics structure (and thus employment preference) before the Bologna process. This is US/UK/Canada/Australia.

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 18:39
啊啊啊啊啊，别，我不懂啊，为啥，这里不是指好的practical吧·····有什么工作上的缺陷吗？例如我没有 ...

well, the downside is on development (well, be short - salary or career track in long term), instead of not able to get a 1st job or not (which doesn't seems to be a big problem given you speak French and the visa policy there)


the difference between general master and MBA is not the content, nor the title indeed. it is about your career status, your own experience, and etc....

I don't think switching to the science one is a good solution. At the end, the problem I mentioned in the last post is the consequence of your bachelor major.

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 18:45
the key question is: what is your core competence skills, while working in the financial industry? ...

所以反过来理解就是，在我毕业以前我得多积累工作经验和实习经验，以及在金融方面以外，还有补充其他知识，例如会计财务或者quantitative或者其他的知识，这样毕业后我的路才好走一点？

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 18:52
所以反过来理解就是，在我毕业以前我得多积累工作经验和实习经验，以及在金融方面以外，还有补充其他知识 ...

1. try better university first, e.g. McGill Desautels, HEC Montreal..........they are not 1st tier Canadian one, but they are the best you can get within Quebec already. They will give you a much better edge if you move outside Quebec later in life.
Don't be too happy with a 3rd tier offer - never satisfy and fight for better option till the end.

2. Core is core - It is not something can be 补充ed fully.
of course it is still better to learn more in those skills you need, but well.....what skills you need? this depends a lot on what kind of role you are going to fight for (imagine a compliance role vs risk vs trading vs sales vs operation vs etc....).

3. so.........what finance major really better than others? I will say mainly some valuation (business/equity), and some equity research stuffs. Things related to financial modelling.
but the most important part about financial modelling is not the understanding the model itself (whatever DDM, DCF, Ratio are all easy to understand); it is about how to use them in practise (e.g. how to get the parameter you want, which model to be used and etc......). All these are not something you can learn in school, but only on-the-job. Such roles are competitive, and major doesn't matter too much (as models are easy - this is not mathematical one like derivatives pricing one) - so back to point (1)

cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 19:07
1. try better university first, e.g. McGill Desautels, HEC Montreal..........they are not 1st ti ...

啊那啥，学渣不gap个一年到一年半是去不了mcgill或者hec的

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想请教楼主MM毕业后的目标是什么？

如果在Laval就读，现在开始就要早做打算。我同意你说的，假设录取另外一个学校的可能性不大了，就要在Laval就读了，开心当然是很自然的，作为情人节礼物恰如其分，总好过拒信。不过LZ MM要去研究一下魁北克城和蒙特利尔金融行业的就业情况，自己专业的就业报告。金融行业在加拿大高度集中于1～2个大城市，如果在魁北克城、甚至整个魁北克省找不到你理想的工作（which is大概率事件），就要做好到安省求职的心理准备和技能准备。那么，如何在Laval获得那些技能就是一个需要思考的问题和努力的方向了。

旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-16 22:19
想请教楼主MM毕业后的目标是什么？

如果在Laval就读，现在开始就要早做打算。我同意你说的，假设录取另外 ...

最后最想做的应该是analyst或者consultant，不过一般都要求好几年工作经验，四年到五年，刚毕业的金融生一般累计什么样的经验比较好，假如，我很喜欢 risk management，那我在毕业的时候找什么工作比较好？一般来说刚毕业找不到正好自己的喜欢的工作吧，我可以先工作找个相关的工作吗？