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旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-16 22:19
想请教楼主MM毕业后的目标是什么？

如果在Laval就读，现在开始就要早做打算。我同意你说的，假设录取另外 ...

Side question:
if someone study in Quebec, and then want to find a job in Ontario, what will happen to their PEQ?

of course PEQ is not necessary for those with a job offer (as PR is not a problem anymore), but when one is good and confident enough in getting a PR through working permit, then why Quebec at the very first hand? Why don't just stick with Toronto in order to get better network + easier internship then?

I am not in Canada, and thus not really clear about these visa stuffs. But this is what first come up to my mind.


P.S. or what you mean is.......graduate first, PEQ to PR, then move to Toronto? that makes better sense. but I don't believe that 3rd tier business school will have much research in training one up...

旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-16 22:19
想请教楼主MM毕业后的目标是什么？

如果在Laval就读，现在开始就要早做打算。我同意你说的，假设录取另外 ...

以及我还想问的一个问题是：

除了证书，有什么软件是以后工作中必须需要掌握的吗？例如excel的vba语言？或者某个数据报告软件可以帮助更好的展示报告？？

希望能够学一两门好用的软件，以后工作起来更顺手，求大大推荐一下

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 23:22
以及我还想问的一个问题是：

除了证书，有什么软件是以后工作中必须需要掌握的吗？例如excel的vba语言 ...

excel: vlookup, pivot table
vba is something obvious to someone know programming indeed, but it really take some time to learn for those didn't

Access is the basic, SQL is also useful. maybe also SPSS for a quick start for data analysis as it is easy.

Don't think you will be competitive enough for roles with too much data involved, so SAS is too much.
Same logic for MATLAB or R. (those jobs likely also required a quantitative background at the same time)

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 10:18
最后最想做的应该是analyst或者consultant，不过一般都要求好几年工作经验，四年到五年，刚毕业的金融生一 ...

我觉得LZ MM的目标应该还不明确，analyst或者consultant只是一个job title，是非常general和宽泛的词汇。带这两个词的职位太多了，彼此之前甚至可以毫无联系。

当然坦白说，设定正确、合适目标的前提是了解这个市场，但作为未有相关工作经验和初到加国的人来说，这个恐怕也有很大难度吧。。那么，LZ MM来念书的任务又多了一重，就是找到真正适合自己背景，同时也相对喜欢的职业和职位。

我有个建议，就是不要一开始就觉得你自己不喜欢、或者不适合什么工作，因为就像上文说的，你还不了解这个市场和这个行业（in general），更遑论具体的职位（in detailed）。求职除了追求兴趣，也要顺势而为，看市场行情和需求，所以应该尽量扩大自己的exposure，在更广阔的范围里寻找自己的去处。

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cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 10:20
Side question:
if someone study in Quebec, and then want to find a job in Ontario, what will ha ...

studying in Quebec, but working in another province could be an issue for PR application indeed.

However, if working on a full-time basis for at least one year, this candidate should have enough score for express entry CEC stream, with his/her master degree.

So overall, I don't see much of a problem to do that.

On the other hand, if we can't find proper living in Canada, what's the point of still sticking around in this country? I'd rather go back to China than do a shitty job/earn some slavery wage in Canada's middle-of-nowhere land.

To summarize, the key thing is really to find a proper placement after graduation, and live to your 最初的梦想。如果发现事与愿违，不如及时矫正，从长计议。

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 10:22
以及我还想问的一个问题是：

除了证书，有什么软件是以后工作中必须需要掌握的吗？例如excel的vba语言 ...

数据分析是中国学生就业的热点领域。你可以关注一些热门的软件or tools，比如SAS（有考试可以pursue）、VBA、SQL。对应的职位主要是risk management和data analytics（BA）。

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旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-17 00:00
数据分析是中国学生就业的热点领域。你可以关注一些热门的软件，比如SAS（有考试可以pursue）、VBA、SQL。 ...

You are absolutely right about the job market, but I don't think OP is competitive for those data roles, unless OP is really exceptional within a group of general business bachelor student.

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旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-16 23:57
studying in Quebec, but working in another province could be an issue for PR application indeed. ...

what I am think is:
- if one plan to fight for a job in finance in Canada, i.e. most likely it is in Ontario, then why study in Quebec at the very first hand? Why don't just stick with Toronto in order to get better network + easier internship then?

- 如果发现事与愿违，不如及时矫正 sounds a nice plan, if and only if there are not cost. I guess it is better to 从长计议 before the battle, and avoid things going wrong as much as possible...

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jd2504u123tesr 发表于 2017-2-16 11:07
大大，data analyst这行对语言表达要求高么。。

相对不高，所以under商科，不是工科。版里应该有关于Data Analyst和Data Scientist异同的帖子的吧？如果我没记错的话。

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cheesechan 发表于 2017-2-16 11:09
what I am think is:
- if one plan to fight for a job in finance in Canada, i.e. most likely it is ...

是的，我也不太能理解，但是这只是我们的logic，然而生命自有归处，facepalm...

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jd2504u123tesr 发表于 2017-2-17 00:07
大大，data analyst这行对语言表达要求高么。。

It depends on what are you comparing with.

It is more demanding that those CS / Data Scientist role, but less demanding than a sales / client facing one.

If you can handle communication with internal parties well, and explain them things in English, it will be fine. I will say around same level as risk or financial engineer.

I will estimate a requirement of 6.5 to 7 (IELTS overall) for this.

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estelle12321 发表于 2017-2-16 10:22
以及我还想问的一个问题是：

除了证书，有什么软件是以后工作中必须需要掌握的吗？例如excel的vba语言 ...

我也同意Cheese。
你的背景未必适合特别quant的领域，但是适当学习一些数据分析工具对你的求职还是很有帮助的。供你参考两个中国商科学生的求职热门领域：

1. 风险管理（market risk、enterprise risk、credit risk、operational risk）
2. 数据分析（DA、BA等）

特别前台的职位就不要想了，sales&trading、IBD（5%）这些的，属于少数的甚少大陆本能跻身的领域（但是其他95%的职位，如果你有适当的背景和skillset，还是有机会的，至少不会因为你的种族和母语把你拒之门外）。

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旋转长颈鹿 发表于 2017-2-17 00:18
我也同意Cheese。
你的背景未必适合特别quant的领域，但是适当学习一些数据分析工具对你的求职还是很有帮 ...

OP 要爭這些opening (data, risk) 的時候, 問題不是种族和母语, 也不是國籍甚麼的.
而是硬實力的問題.

這類的工作, 要的是數理分析能力, (so-called analytical mindset), 和對數據的習慣和感覺.
這個mindset甚麼的, 不是學了甚麼甚麼軟件, 而是一個思維的方法和習慣. 是需要幾年的時間去浸淫的, i.e. a bachelor in that.
當然, 一個quantitative的碩士也行, 但這個玩意沒有一個quantitative的學士根本就申不上 (exactly because of the reason just mentioned)

一般來說, general business bachelor student在這方面都弱得很....尤其是當樓主連econ, OM, IS都好像不是的時候.....

所以我覺得, 樓主要有畢業, 刷盤子, PEQ拿到PR, 再去安大略讀另一個master以求relocation for getting decent job 這樣worse case outcome的心理準備.