大家罗列、讨论一下argument里逻辑特别混乱，特别难分析的题目吧

arhooUID：180462

大家罗列、讨论一下argument里逻辑特别混乱，特别难分析的题目吧

鬼谷子UID：159645

不错
很好的建议

runningpiggyUID：194977

197

arhooUID：180462

50有点讨厌的。168错误不难找，但不知道在分析的时候改用怎么顺着怎么一个逻辑线路写下来，理不大清楚

chinhoiUID：173262

强烈同意！！
觉得那些考古、生物等的都比较麻烦
高频里面的那个47就很头疼

另外，问一下，argument有没有循环论证的题目？

arhooUID：180462

大家抓紧点时间列一些出来 我们早一天进入这项工作可能就会有多好多人受益。我自己argument还看得不多，发这个帖子是想抛砖引玉。

apolloxpUID：156355

支持。argument也可以讨论讨论思路呢

viviansiUID：190413

50

arhooUID：180462

关于50好像已经达成共识比较棘手。我试着分析一下。一下不是一片argument，而是一点分析。本人不是学物理的。以下拙见来自本来就不怎么扎实的中学物理知识。
1.Earth being formed out of the collision of space rocks is only one of the various versions of hypothesis about the formation of Earth none of which has been substantiated yet. The conclusion deduced from such a hypothesis is open to controvercy.
2.Even if we accept the hypothesis, it is still doubtful that the water present would all have evaporated away. Temporature is not the only determinant of evaporation. Under tremendous pressure, water may still remain in the state of liquid despite high temporature and coexists with other molten substances.
3.There is no evidence indicating that the water in comets can successfully reach the surface of the earth. It is possible that the comets evaporates at very exterior of atmosphere and gravitaion is so weak there that the vapor escape in to the space.
4.Even if it can reach the earth, no convincing statistics are given to prove that water in comets can account for so large amount of water in Earth's oceans. there may be other sources:
5.From outside: When the gravitaion became stronger, more space substances, some of which may contain certain amount of water, would be attracted to earth. In addition, comets are neither the only kind of celestial body that would reach the Earth, nor the only kind that contains water. Meteorites may also contain water.
6.From inside:The argument is based on the assumption that water only come from water. If so, what was the source of the first drop of water in this universe? In fact, water can also be produced out of chemical reactions and nuclear reactions, which are possible on Earth. Thus, water may not only originated from the outspace. In fact, there is large amounts of water in the state of vapor come from inside when a volcano erupts. No evidence indicating such water from inside are also granted by comets.

arhooUID：180462

还是自己顶上来
谴责一下版主们，嘴巴上说说支持，为什么也不参与一下
argu哪几道逻辑混乱，想必版主们更了解一些
我现在自己argu进度慢，尚没发现太多逻辑混乱的题目。
贴这个帖子我本意不是想搭便车，版主只需报几个题号，我自会把我的分析贴上来

chinhoiUID：173262

支持一下楼主
不过也不用谴责版主拉，他们很忙很忙的，顾不上了吧

我提2个题，大家来讨论看看
45和47，都是生物啊考古方面的，巨bt

【45】The following appeared as an editorial in a wildlife journal.
"Arctic deer live on islands in Canada's arctic region. They search for food by moving over ice from island to island during the course of a year. Their habitat is limited to areas warm enough to sustain the plants on which they feed, and cold enough, at least some of the year, for the ice to cover the sea separating the islands, allowing the deer to travel over it. Unfortunately, according to reports from local hunters, the deer populations are declining. Since these reports coincide with recent global warming trends that have caused the sea ice to melt, we can conclude that the decline in arctic deer populations is the result of deer being unable to follow their age-old migration patterns across the frozen sea."
北极鹿生活在加拿大极地区域的岛屿上。它们全年都通过冰块在岛屿间移动来寻找食物。它们的栖居地局限在那些温暖得足以维持它们所需的植物生长，并且在一年的至少某些时候冷到足以让岛屿间的海面结冰以使它们能够在岛屿间旅行的地方。然而，根据当地猎人的报告，鹿的数量正在下降。由于这一报告正好与最近导致海洋冰面融化的全球变暖趋势同时发生，我们可以得出结论：北极鹿数量的下降是它们无法按它们原有的迁移习惯穿越结冰海面的结果。

【47】Scientists studying historical weather patterns have discovered that in the mid-sixth century, Earth suddenly became significantly cooler. Although few historical records survive from that time, some accounts found both in Asia and Europe mention a dimming of the sun and extremely cold temperatures. Either a huge volcanic eruption or a large meteorite colliding with Earth could have created a large dust cloud throughout Earth's atmosphere that would have been capable of blocking enough sunlight to lower global temperatures significantly. A large meteorite collision, however, would probably create a sudden bright flash of light, and no extant historical records of the time mention such a flash. Some surviving Asian historical records of the time, however, mention a loud boom that would be consistent with a volcanic eruption. Therefore, the cooling was probably caused by a volcanic eruption.
研究历史上气候变化的学者发现在六世纪中叶，地球突然变冷了很多。尽管那个时期很少有历史记录被保存下来，一些在亚洲和欧洲所发现的记录提到了太阳变暗和极度的寒冷。要么是巨大的火山喷发，要么是撞击地球的大型小行星导致地球大气形成一大片尘埃云层，这阻止了一定的阳光导致全球温度显著下降。然而，大型小行星的撞击可能产生突然的强闪光，而现存的那时的历史记录中没有提到过这样的闪光。然而那时遗留下来的一些亚洲历史纪录提到过与一次火山喷发相一致的巨大隆隆声。因此，那时的温度下降多半是火山喷发导致的。

davidjackyUID：135962

最初由 arhoo 发布
[B]还是自己顶上来
谴责一下版主们，嘴巴上说说支持，为什么也不参与一下
argu哪几道逻辑混乱，想必版主们更了解一些
我现在自己argu进度慢，尚没发现太多逻辑混乱的题目?.

以下省略...... [/B]

谢谢，斑竹自然有些失职，这个我们表示道歉，斑竹的支持是对你发起活动的支持，也为更多人参与这个活动，每个人对题目的理解有自己的不同。考试是你们自己的事情，我们的作用无非是给大家铺路搭桥，给大家提供这么一个平台写作，希望你能够对斑竹客观一点

imongUID：140258

那好 我来列一个
142

下下筷子？

arhooUID：180462

Argu142
算了，筷子也不要了，直接用手指夹夹看吧
我觉得要破题，主要要从这两样东西上下手
1.correlation / link 相关性是一种很弱的关系，即使所谓的strong correlation，本质上还是弱的，因为不能说明究竟是何种关系
2.function 看到这个function我就愣了半天 后来决定从熟悉的“函数”概念下手，应该有一种被决定，或者是result的关系，查了一下MW和金山词霸，证实我了猜测
MW:5b : a variable (as a quality, trait, or measurement) that depends on and varies with another *height is a function of age*;  also   : RESULT *illnesses that are a function of stress*
金山：Something closely related to another thing and dependent on it for its existence, value, or significance:应变物：与另一决定它的存在、价值或重要性的事物密切相关的事物：Growth is a function of nutrition.长身体是由营养决定的
反正我是这么理解function了

稍微分析一下，的确好难，还是有问题的，请imong还有众位指点  
（关于对study以及所谓well establish的怀疑我就不包括了）
This arguer try to 说服我们correlation between red meat and heart disease(RM c HD)[B]决定[/B] 了correlation between high iron level and heart disease(I c HD)，明眼人一看就发现这个“决定”问题很大的
我是这么分析的：
先要质疑RM c HD和I c HD这两件事情之间存在的必然联系：
1. RM c HD的HD和I c HD的HD是不是一回事情？有可能前者指的是一旦发病病情的严重程度，而后者（因为开头作者已经把risk一词送给它了）指的是发病率；有可能在前者实际是A种heart disease在统计中起了作用而在后者是另一种heart disease B。如果是这样，there is hardly a correlation（这里指两种correlation间的correlation）between RN c HD的HD和I c HD
2.有点牵强：即使red meat里iron很高，对那些eat large amounts of red meat的同学来说，这个iron到底有没有到达I c HD这件事情里面所说的high level？有可能I c HD里所说的high level in diet是研究者认为添加的呢？有可能red meat 虽然高iron，只是相对大部分其他食物，但和最高的食物不能比。光吃red meat吃的撑死也达不到前面那种情况。吃red meat两个high都是相对概念，作者没有给出绝对标准，不可比。然而RM吃得多的人可能恰好比较喜欢吃另一种可能导致hd的东西，或者索性说比较容易胖，肥胖可能导致HD。因此RM c HD可能和iron没有关系。
3.Even if 承认两个correlation有联系，但是又决定关系吗？到底谁决定谁？两个correlation并没有明确说明因果关系。如果iron是HD的原因，那么是不是有可能因该反过来，I c HD决定了RM c HD呢？


头有点痛了~~嘿嘿 就瞎掰到这里吧。请批驳，谢谢

arhooUID：180462

希望你能够对斑竹客观一点

David生气了啊？（这个判断到完全是主观的）。其实我说话没那么严重啦。斑竹的工作的确辛苦了，我从一来这里就很敬佩你们了。而且也想好，如果到时候GRE考的还好，水平也真的提升到你们版主们的水平的时候，我也很愿意加入你们或者继承你们的事业。当然水平够格是尚未达到的前提。
当然我前面说的话也不是不负责的

考试是你们自己的事情，我们的作用无非是给大家铺路搭桥，给大家提供这么一个平台写作

我已经说了，不是要版主们帮我们罗列帮我们分析。大家都是论坛的一员，斑竹们are no exception。我只是认为你们更有个数哪几道比较麻烦，随便有空的时候跑过来抛个题号在这里就可以了，就像imong那样。既然你们针对issue会组织同题写作，题目不也是你们选的？不是也投入很多时间来帮大家批改？如果这些事情没有超过“铺路搭桥”，那么，我认为希望你们抛几个题号的要求也没有太出格吧
Anyway, thank u for yr support!